Why are Horde players so easy to farm in PvP?

Introduction : It’s been around since a few month now. Horde players keeps making thread about how much they loose bg’s and what not. We, as Alliance players, also notice how we destroys Horde in BG’s. I don’t know why, they feel way less brained than before.

No matter which kind of players is it :

  • Russian horde ~ They have the capacity of making a BG super-challenging sometimes. That’s good! — we win 7/10 BG’s with them.
  • English horde ~ Disorganized, people quitting after the first cap or death — we win 9/10 BG’s
  • French horde ~ Not much to say, Probably the worst horde players, I never experienced a loss in BG’s vs them

Sames goes for wPVP. On my server, we are farming Horde 24/7 in the Maw entrance, there is almost no fight back, they try to organize then they flee etc.

So what COULD be the problem with Horde lately ?

  1. Horde is the CoOL BaD GuYs FaCtiOn. Don’t get mad, hear me out. I’ve been a 8 years Mage Undead player.
    Everyone joining the game want to go horde theses days because of the trailers and many alliance pvp players switched from Alliance to horde because of the PvP movies back in the days. Let me elaborate

— First for the trailers : Sylvanas and the overall lore made Horde feels like they were the rebels of this game for YEARS while the alliance would feel like too traditional - not very spicy faction. This is backed up long time ago since the SC2 era, were the swarm was so cool. Everyone want to be the vilain in 2020 and they feel this way playing an undead or an orc. They want to be the bad guys.

— PvP movies influences : Many many many PvP movies are just undead players with dark music exploding humans / gnomes around. Feels fancy, feels bad guys, loads of people want that. Just remember Grim Total Annihilation, how much people rolled an undead rogue straight after watched it ? We players don’t want to be the good samaritan in a game where we talk about a Players vs Players environement where there is blood and war. We ALL want to be the frenzy warrior or mage that is evil and destroy the s out of the ennemy.

I think it’s been too much years where this feeling was present and contributed in a massive de-population in PvP players in Alliance, resulting in a horde slaying alliance 24/7 on most servers for the past few years, which just a few exceptions.

  1. Population numbers in PvP : Due to YEARS of migration / reroll from Alliance to Horde due to what I’ve just explained, the population of PvP players in Horde grealty increased and only the very elitist alliance pvp players stayed strong.

Fast forward to today :

  • Horde lost Sylvanas. They doesn’t feel like the cool faction anymore
  • Alliance gained Void elves, which are even more evil than Blood elves (to me this is an effort to decrease the good-samarithan look on Alliance)
  • Sames goes for Iron Dwarves
  • High-skilled PvP players from Horde switched to alliance for a new experience or for the racials attractions.
  • Alliance has now the best core-pvp players around, small community but very well organized for BG’s, Arena and wPVP and it’s expanding lately at an incredible rate.

I also read that a few people tried to justify the alliance winning bg’s because of the mercenaries stuff but this is irrevelant. There is a minority of PvP players doing that, it’s not like all our BG’s were filled of Horde vs Horde (that would have been funny tho). Also most of people joining as Mercenaries usually get the worst stats at the end (no offense shot)

Horde is unfortunately paying the price today and will for the next expansions and is still collapsing under a flood of incessant wannabe-pvp-players that don’t really want to be the best pvp players but just wanted to be the cool rebel undead rogue like many of us.

Alliance in the other hands feels so fresh lately.

TL;DR :

Horde loose because :

  1. Horde has been over rated for years, now they pay the price of having an extremely low skilled pvp player base.
  2. Alliance has more grown-adult PvP focus, less I wAnT The ReBEl FaCtion type of content
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those bonus honor events always bring up the honor leechers/afk types to epic bgs
and im confused whats their reason to queue bg and slack and lose over win
you get less honor for it

So you’re saying that Horde is loosing because they intentionally loose ? Give me a break

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you heard having idiots in your grp who say stuff like let them win pls
when they lose the first battle without trying

im afraid its true

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Horde or Alliance, French players are bad in every online game.

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Here is yet another example :

  • Horde team-up as a full premade to blast us
  • Alliance proceed to destroy 'em as non-premade

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Tl dr ? Chars

Horde players mostly 100% PvE focused players or newbies, people who want to AFK honor leech but lazy to reroll or q as merc. Even if Horde have good persons they q as merc on ally side, coz faster pops.

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BG winning is pretty anecdotal as I’ve stated in another thread myself, I wont a lot on alliance healing and I won more on horde
Alliance tends to start complaining in bg chat while horde kinda just plays silently and has an easier time bouncing back
On alliance aswell there was an odd number of dwarf players that were visiting my bgs (horde mercs) but I think that’s lessening now that horde queues are pretty reasonable

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I merc the whole day after I´m done with daily chores (during which I queue normal bg as I cant get dailies done with only 2min between queues).
So I guess a lot of people you play with in normal BGs are totally alliance and always have been…

Most hardcore pvp players that play random bgs on horde just merc up. My buddies and I join in packs of 3 for like 10 bgs a day sometimes.

Lots of people doing that. So argument is kinda invalid.

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This is exactly the reason the Alliance is winning more currently. The number of Horde going as mercenaries is huge, this is seen from relative queue times (the Horde queues used to be 6+ min, now they are 2-3 min, the Alliance queues stay at 1 min, that’s like 25-30% of the Horde merc’ing).

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Basicly this topic is about how good you think you are, so tooting your own horn…didn’t really need a wall of text for that now did you ??

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Well Mr OP .You are lying! You have play a really small amount of BG’s and your statistics says almost 50% win which is the same for anyone else. Go play some more and be humble. Horde was and always will be superior in BG’s.

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If you’re trully “so amazing” then why do you keep getting free gear left and right? Imagine if horde could get the same amount of gear that you do for doing the bare minimum of pvp

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Lol because when I walk outside the maw entrance its 20 allys vs 1 horde, oh and then the teabags as well.

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Expected an average win-rate beyond 54%…I was disappointed.

And well, mentioning the Maw was just lame. That has nothing to do with a real battle, it’s just shooting off unaware players. Why on earth would you form a raid to counter a bunch of campers who just do it to complete a quest? For the honor (not the currency)? Eh, pass, rather sneak past and re-enter the maw to get into an empty shard.

Because we play against Hordes mostly. Often enough half the Alliance team is filled with Mercenaries.

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cause ally suck

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So if alliance has the “elite core group of pvp players”. Explain why horde is miles ahead on rating in every single bracketx) this doesnt make any sense at all. I´d prob say that the reason horde loses most random bgs is because the good horde players all sit in arena or rbg while alliance is more casual and have more veteran players sitting in randoms. Also the reason alliance is crushing in world pvp is 100% because of the warmode bonus being so much higher on alliance side(blizzard biased af). The alliance didnt start having an impact on world pvp until warmode came around and since then its just been a constant full group alliance camp fest.

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I go where Sylvanas goes. Even though im having issues finding her atm :frowning:

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