And here we go again…
Why do you guys want High Elves so badly ?
I mean they already exist and they are called blood elves. Making high elves is irrelevant.
If Blizzard plans to add more allied races or whatever they should add something new that we never saw!
Only reason to give away our elves is that many of bad elves that totally don’t know what lore is will be gone forever. It will clean Horde dry.
But outside of this? It’s just robbery.
Do you want High Elves? Ok. But they will look like humans with blue eyes and long ears.
I swear to god, if another ELF lover, makes another Thread about this silly shieeet again, I will cry, because they already have Night Elfs, Blood Elfs, with Yellow eyes, Blue eyes too as Death Knight, VOID ELFS! Nightborn ELFS!, and now you want high elfs, HELL nawh.
This is just flat out not true, Kul Tirans have been in WoW since classic and they just looked like Stormwind Marines but with green accents instead of blue. Check out Tiragarde Keep in Durotar.
If anything, Kul Tirans have the least interesting and complex background; They’re just normal humans that live on an island and like ships.
I agree they’re pretty much a proper new race rather than an AR, but to say they have the most interesting background is laughable.
This is just flat out not true, Kul Tirans have been in WoW since classic and they just looked like Stormwind Marines but with green accents instead of blue. Check out Tiragarde Keep in Durotar.
They have been featured only in Classic, and remove the “since” as they were annihilated in Cataclysm, so it’s not like those Kul Tirans endured to this day. And what was featured was only a fraction of the survivors of Daelin’s army, not the bulk of their population, unlike the High Elves. They could get away with having many Kul Tirans become bulkier than normal Humans as they showed 1% of their race in World of Warcraft, whereas with High Elves they have been showing all of them since Classic, and they never, EVER, looked any different than Blood Elves with blue eyes. So giving them different models and even skeletons would be an asspull, as would turning them all into savage mohawk elven warriors wearing tattoos, as that image of the High Elves ended with Warcraft II… which was more than 20 years ago. Alleria is the only High Elf with tattoos that appeared since Warcraft II.
If anything, Kul Tirans have the least interesting and complex background; They’re just normal humans that live on an island and like ships.
How asinine. Going by that logic, High Elves are just Blood Elves with blue eyes who don’t like Fel.
Why are you talking about Kul Tirans?
I don’t understand what they have to do with High Elves.
The subject is about bringing high elf race into Alliance, just say yes or no with arguments. This is not about “which race do you think is the best?”
Back at you, why is the OP allowed to make a separate thread about High Elves when there’s already a megathread going on?
If you want to know why I mentioned Kul Tirans, read my posts again. I am not repeating myself.
I agree mate, I don’t understand why the OP opened another ![:poop:](https://d1bg94bbsh66ji.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/poop.png?v=6" ":poop:")
Thread about high elves.
There are Kul Tiran marines looking exactly the same in Aszuna in Legion. Kul Tirans looking different is entirely fabricated for the purposes of making an Allied Race.
I wasn’t principally referring to High Elves, for starters they’re not currently an AR so people can’t choose them as their race for anything, let alone background.
I was referring far more to the Zandalari and Dark Iron, who have been in the game since Classic, whose story has been built upon since classic, for whom we have background stretching back thousands of years including significant notable events and locations.
Apart from the Jaina/Daelin story, and that they’re humans who live on an island and like ships, everything of the background we know of Kul Tirans came from BfA, and it’s still noteably more vague and less defined than the other two.
Realistically, the background and complexity of Kul Tirans is most comparable to the Exxtra-Shiny Draenei from Legion.
I didn’t say that they weren’t fabricated, I said that they are not an asspull because the fact that Blizzard showed only 1% of the Kul Tiran population in World of Warcraft (don’t tell me that the survivors of Daelin’s army and a few captives make up a signficant part of the Kul Tiran population) allowed them to be creative with how they would design the Kul Tirans, since they basically showed nothing of them in the game until Battle for Azeroth.
Whereas it would be an asspull for the High Elves to suddenly look much different from the Blood Elves, because since Classic, they have always been Blood Elves with blue eyes, and unlike the Kul Tirans:
A) We saw the bulk of them, so It’s not like Blizzard has much creative freedom with them;
B) It is too late. If they wanted to differentiate the High Elves from the Blood Elves, they should have done so in The Burning Crusade or Wrath, not after so many years. It would be as if the playable Kul Tiran model was added in 11.0. THAT would be an asspull. It isn’t now since the Kul Tirans as a whole barely made any presence in the game until this expansion.
I wasn’t principally referring to High Elves, for starters they’re not currently an AR so people can’t choose them as their race for anything, let alone background.
And they never will, so make peace with that.
I was referring far more to the Zandalari and Dark Iron, who have been in the game since Classic, whose story has been built upon since classic, for whom we have background stretching back thousands of years including significant notable events and locations.
Except that the Kul Tirans predate the Zandalari and Dark Irons since they were introduced in Warcraft II, whereas the Zandalari and Dark Irons were introduced in Classic, where the Zandalari were quest givers serving an unknown King whom we knew nothing about, and the Dark Irons were just chaotic evil guys. Their backstory and culture were estabilished later.
Whereas the Kul Tirans at least were estabilished since Warcraft II as a sea-faring people who participated in the Second War. I certainly never saw any Zandalari or Dark Iron in Warcraft III, whereas there was an entire campaign which saw the Kul Tirans as the antagonists.
Apart from the Jaina/Daelin story, and that they’re humans who live on an island and like ships,
Still with this asinine logic?! Then what are we even doing on this forum, wasting time with a game that is just a more cartoonish copy of Warhammer?
everything of the background we know of Kul Tirans came from BfA, and it’s still noteably more vague and less defined than the other two.
Already addressed. The Kul Tirans were created years before World of Warcraft was even released, whereas the Zandalari and Dark Irons made their first appearance in World of Warcraft. And when they first appeared, the Zandalari and Dark Irons also had a very vague and badly-defined culture and background. And if you think that the Kul Tirans’ lore and culture are more vague than the Dark Irons’, then you haven’t been paying attention to this expansion which is in part focused in fleshing out the Kul Tiran culture that was already estabilished in Warcraft II.
If anything, that makes it worse that the Kul Tirans have such a poorly defined background. And whilst the Zandalari, consisting of only a handful of NPCs, may have been less defined, I’d seriously question that the DI particularly had a vague/badly-defined culture. From the outset they’ve had a coherent backstory.
Gotta say, I dunno why you’re foaming at the bit so much over this one allied race. They’re really not worth it. 
Why can’t you guys get high when you play blood elves?
EZ solved, pls mark the thread and let’s move on.
The Kul Tirans don’t have a coherent backstory? Care to elaborate?
And I don’t know what to tell you. If you think that the Kul Tirans’ have a poorly defined background and culture, then you either didn’t do any of the quests in this expansion, or you just slept through the entire levelling experience, because if there’s one thing that Blizzard didn’t botch in this expansion was the Kul Tiran and Zandalari cultures, and this is a common praise that people have.
I feel bad for Daelin, that’s why I can never be in Jaina fan wagon.
To trade your father and people for some Noble savages ffs.
Kul Tiran story is as dramatic as any other imo.
But I want skinny Cool Tiran babes and Bois options asap.
I never said they didn’t, I said the Dark Iron did. They have a logical flow of events in their background which dictates their actions, without relying on Drust/Old Gods Ex Machina to drive the plot. I rewrote the last two lines of that paragraph a couple of times, so they admittedly don’t line up that well.
Never mentioned Kul Tiran culture. I defended DI culture, because you brought it up, but I’ve only ever been talking about Kul Tirans background, don’t straw man.
Kul Tiran and Zandalari culture, i.e. their traditions and the feel of their zones, is well constructed, their (Kul’Tirans) backstory isn’t. The only realy backstory we got for the Kul’Tirans as a people in BfA was a rough outline of their history involving the Drust, which didn’t ever go massively in-depth.
The Kul TIran backstory isn’t well-defined? Care to elaborate? How is it not well-defined?
without relying on Drust/Old Gods Ex Machina to drive the plot.
Going by that logic, The Dark Irons backstory works only because it is driven by Ragnaros-ex machina. Ragnaros being a character who never appeared before World of Warcraft, just like the Drust and the Old Gods.
The only realy backstory we got for the Kul’Tirans as a people in BfA was a rough outline of their history involving the Drust, which didn’t ever go massively in-depth.
No It’s not. You need to read the Kul Tiran backstory then. They were former Gilnean colonists who became independent and left their kin to find adventure and fortune elsewhere. They clashed with the Drust. They have been governed for thousands of years by a Lord Admiral backed by the Kul Tiran noble lords. The Tidesages came under the grandfather of the late Lord Stormsong who heeded the words of the Tidemother and led his people through the tides. That alone is a short resume of the Kul Tiran backstory before they participated in the Second War. It might not be as elaborate as the Kaldorei or the Draenei, as they aren’t meant to be a race as “important” as they are, but it is still more backstory than most races in the game.
And your argument can be made for every race. Most races have lived for thousands of years, and yet the number of events in which they are featured is pathetically low compared to their long existences. Thus we have cases like the High Elves having lived in peace for 3.000 years without anything happening between Dath’remar’s exodus and the Troll Wars.
Report for spam and move on. There’s one too many of these threads cluttering the forum as it is.
It’s more backstory than Kobolds and Gilblins, sure. But fundamentally, that can be condensed as:
With the exception of tidesages, which are genuinely somewhat unique, it’s the barest bones of a backstory.
It’s also worth noting, that most of this wasn’t shown in BfA, like I said in my post.
You realize that you can make that argument for literally every other race, right? What does the backstory of the Kaldorei tell us?
It’s also worth noting, that most of this wasn’t shown in BfA, like I said in my post.
What does this mean?? Neither was the backstory of any other race was shown in the game. Did you see Dazar leading the Zandalari out of G’huun’s clutches in the game? Did you see the Curse of Blood that devastated Zandalari society in the game? And so on.
Not sure what you’re trying to prove there. Those plot points are much more original and less generic.
Utter Nonsense. Loads of races have their backstory in-game. Mag’har, Nightborne, Blood Elves, and Dark Iron, to list a few. Heck, even the Val’kyr, Iron Dwarves*, Mogu, Saurok and those Cat people in Uldum have a signifcant amount of their backstory in-game.
*To clarify, these are the ones from Ulduar.