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did the healing thing get fixed? cuz I âalmostâ exclusivlely played healers in cata, tho at 4.3 patch, I do not recall that being a thing, but my memory is fuzzy.
I mean yeah youâre right on several points, HC dungeons were very difficult and punishing, people werent CCing, dispelling, decursing on most packs (shoutout first dragonkin packs in Grim Batol HC). Iâm sure people didnât like the revamped world, but I feel thats a thing people jumped on later? I mostly recall hype for the release, so many of the zones have great new hubs and quest lines with interesting stories.
The game did get alittle more on the rails in terms of questing, some of the zones in cata were very linear and you progressed through the zone with an overarching story right.
Sure all these things combined couldve caused people to quit, but just imagine how many people started playing sometime in vanilla or tbc, thats years of playing wow, at some point pretty much everyone quits the game, wow definitely had an issue with acquiring fresh players to the game. And thatâs why they stopped gaining subscribers in wrath, you can see the public charts on subscriber numbers, it goes completely flat for almost all of wrath, they didnt gain players, they just plateaued.
if we go by growth then vanilla and tbc blow all other expansions out of the park!, also im pretty sure blizzard just stopped all the marketing for wow towards the launch of cata. remember how many crazy ads we had? chuck norris, ozzy osbourne, night elf mohawk and stuff.
Obviously cata isnt everyones cup of tea, but I think its disingenuous to say that âCata was the start of the downfall and wrath was the last good expansionâ , if wrath was truly that good, sub numbers wouldnt have stopped going up
youâre not getting classic cata lmao
No, if we even get Cata. It be last patch. Unfun and DOA. Cata bad, easy mode Cata worse.
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I would agree on all of the points except Account-wide stuff.
There is absolutely no reason why keeping some things only on chars. Making stuff account-wide is on of the good things that came later.
Every expansion added something good, letâs be honest. Some added more, some less.
But there is really no point in going down the exact same road did once.
What WoW needs is a major reset. Do a complete Vanilla+ aka take all the races, classes, QoL and put it all into harder Classic way balanced world.
True, after clearing icc hc after a year with the 30% buff many people thought they are heroic raiders and expected to continue like this in cata. After they couldnt even clear heroic dungeons, they quit. Does that make cata a bad addon though?
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Well, when youâre at the bottom the only way left to go is up. Or they can just stay as bad as they were originally, thatâs also an option.
Prot (WOTLK) is super fun, and while itâs not the best tank it is really quite capable. Best speedrunning tank arguably, best dungeon tank arguably, not the best general raiding tank but still good enough for the role (itâs the 2nd best Algalon tank for example).
Interesting with WOTLK talents is also the hybrid builds, like the Arms/Prot hybrid is by far the highest damage tank spec for dungeons, able to pull over 10k dps in a lot of scenarios, and great for soloing old content, for example Karazhan or ZG, through the sheer brute force dps. You also have the Fury/Prot hybrid which has crazy self healing using the Bloodthirst glyph, I soloâd Onyxia with that in dungeon blues and TBC gear earlier in WOTLK Classic, and for example you can solo Nightbane with it.
All this is gone in Cata, while Prot is still quite a fun spec itâs even weaker than it is in WOTLK, but doesnât have the block niche that makes it so good in dungeons.
Yeah Iâm thinking pure 4.3. Fury was very strong prior to 4.3. But also from a gameplay perspective, I always hated that Raging Blow replaced Whirlwind, and that it required an Enrage to use in Cata.
Arms is dead in PVE WOTLK (tho we actually have one, heâs very good, a few rank 1 parses currently). But Arms is godly in PVP in WOTLK, itâs not too bad a tradeoff. Arms is godly in PVE in Cata 4.3, I was a big fan of the spec but it wasnât super great in PVP and so Warrior overall in 4.3 isnât great.
Fury = Bad all around, dead spec.
Prot = Fun, some uses but generally dead due to tuning.
Arms = Amazing in PVE, ok in PVP.
So in Cata Iâd have to play Arms, which is fine because 4.3 is one of the best for Arms in the history of the game, but I donât like Cataclysm content, itâs really only Firelands that I rate.
As I said, tuning aside I think WOTLK Fury Warrior is peak Warrior, itâs amazing. Tuning wise itâs on the weaker side, but itâs uphill from here. Cata Fury Warrior is less fun from my memory, a little more frustrating to play, and on 4.3 itâs also really bad, the Fury T7 situation all over again, but for the entire expansion.
Melee in Classic is strong in group setting, but when I say levelling Iâm talking in the open world. In Classic and TBC levelling a Warrior was pure pain, but worth the wait. In WOTLK levelling a Warrior is like being an unstoppable force, especially if you play Prot, you are a complete wrecking machine, even moreso if you swap to Arms/Prot at 58+.
In Cata itâs the same as WOTLK, different because it has more self healing and is more about bleeds/thunderclap⌠The difference is the Cata Warrior isnât as good in dungeons levelling, but also kinda irrelevant because Cata dungeon levelling is a breeze, itâs at max level it gets a bit hairy, and not in a good way.
They might peak really high, but the problem with tourists is that they get bored quickly.
This really sucked. Also never forget all those 5man changes. Especially Blackrock Depths. Fell in love with it once again back in Classic and donât wanna see it get butchered.
/doubt
10 characters
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Warcraft lore ends with the Lich King dead. IDK what cats and monkeys you are talking about
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Iâm not a specialist on chinese lore, but I assume it has something to do with the Mists of Real Life China Because We Need To Lick The Crack Of Our Biggest Playerbase (Bots) expansion.
Karakzbar has a good take with actually using braincells
Bigbazz has generally good takes but is very biased towards warrior (thats a general trend of warriors in wow)
Starsplinter has a good take
Brewni doesnât know how to analyse data
Eralin is trolling
Thalissa is completely trolling
Ainee has a good take
Ccwe has a good take
Daigar is trolling (in almost every thread)
Tsiropool is living in the early 2000s lore
Overall Iâm surprised. Never seen such a low trolling ratio in a thread about âCataâ.
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Because I played Cataclysm in 2010-2012 as a Warrior main. If I were to attempt to cover all classes then every post would need to be 10x as long. I also played Rogue, Shaman and Hunter during Cataclysm, Rogue even got the Legendary daggers, an amazing questline to be fair.
Imagine I even attempted to talk about other classes with the same level of detail and reflection? Iâd need to publish a book.
I think itâs only fair you give your own take, rather than just pass your judgement on how other people see the game.
only cus ds was like 1 year raid for some reason, and everyone burned out
Thatâs fine. But you judgement of each expansion is the same as the state of warrior at that moment. Itâs not criticism, it just means that a no warrior should take your takes with grant when saying stuff like balance was terrible
Sure!
Karakzbar pretty much sums up my take on Cataclysm. Hivemind. Many people havenât even tried Cataclysm. It had many great qualities as well as bad qualities. So does each expansion.
- 10m being viable. And yes, I saw your point. It didnât devalue 25m. You would still want to do 25m for more loot and prestige. Did some people completely go to 10m? Yes because finding and keeping 24 people for 2+ years is not easy.
- Amazing raids all over the expansion. Yes, even the dreaded dragonsoul was better than most âoriginal 3â. Yes, it lasted too long. No, in a rerelease it wonât last that long. Besides, making a judgement because of one tier is not fair. In that case, Wrath would have been the worst expansion with Naxxramas and ToC.
- Pvp balance and rbgs
- Revamped levelling. Ask anyone in Wrath Classic how they would rate 1-60 levelling in Wrath and they will give you either a âmehâ or âterribleâ.
Cata also had negatives. For me it doesnât really have major negatives that I want to list them, for others it does and I respect that. If you are able to give me an actual reason to why it is bad it is fine. However, most people I encounter will just say âbecause its badâ, âitâs retail(-light)â or âold world is brokenâ. Those are not reasons, those are trolls or people that got told that Cata is bad.
In my defense Iâd like to point out that most of the time it is extremely hard not to.
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Thatâs fair
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