Why do you Alliance Players want to gatekeep more than half of the playerbase from PVP?

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This is a followup question, but one in a kind of different direction than my previous post about changes to bg queue times.

What I’ve heavily noticed is that a lot of fellow Alliance Players want to gatekeep the whole horde playerbase from PVPing, demanding zero changes to an ever increasing problem of BG Queue Times.

Please keep in mind that the large majority of the playerbase are casuals, people who do not have time to play 12 hours a day or simply value their time, yet you keep telling them to reroll to alliance or other things.

The current state of PVP will completely ruin the casual & competitive PVP Scene alike for one faction. The Queue times will snowball more and more because alliance players will gearcap so quickly that less and less players will queue.

Yet you show zero empathy for the other players side and are against:

  • Mercenary Mode
  • Horde vs. Horde
  • Honor Buffs

or any other solution that players have suggested.

Realmtransfers are no solution. Horde is and will always be more popular. Unless Blizzard takes control over factions themself and FORCE Players to roll alliance, people will play horde. Arenas won’t have an even playing field and will be gated by 14 hours / day Glad Players which will result in casuals abandoning arena altogether. Players shouldn’t be punished for choosing a faction of their liking. Not everyone treats WoW as their life either. Relax. Let players have fun.

I want to be able to PVP on both of my characters & I want to be able to play with all my friends on Horde & Alliance. But anyone who seriously values their time will simply opt-in for 2 hour queues.

If you check the amount of open Battlegrounds, you can see a massive indication of less & less BG’s beeing open each day, because Alliance players are capped out while Horde players desperatatly want to play and have fun, but simply cant.

If an average casual player plays 2 matches of PVP a day he’d have to play for around 2-3 Hours on Horde Side resulting in an average 600 Honor. This is just an estimate and would count an average win or loss, though the numbers can obviously be off depending on facing premade groups, your personal performance etc.

Now let’s put this into perspective of the cost of PVP Gear:

Epic PvP Off Pieces:
97,888 honor, 20 WSG, 60 AB, 10 AV, 60 EoTS

S1 Blue set cost:
86061 honor, 30 WSG, 50 AB, 50 AV, 0 EoTS

PvP Blue Weapons:
1h/OH/Ranged: 19125 honor, 20 EoTS (Crossbow is 40 AV not EoTS)
2h: 38250 honor, 40 AV

The total cost of the full set will be:
222.119 Honor

If you take the total required amount of honor this would result in:
1110 Hours / 46 Days of Playtime for the full set (avg. 200/Honor per Hour)
or
740 Hours / 30.8 Days of playtime. (if you can pull of 300/Honor per Hour)

Just to give some perspective to my fellow alliance players who want Horde players to suffer & kill any casual play on one faction.

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why do you rather complain and expect others to do something rather than making faction imbalance better yourself?

i play on a horde dominated server 30-70, do you think horde shows any empathy to alliance? every dungeon group, every raid means corpsewalk to the instance for alliance because theres just horde everywhere.
questing must be impossible for them. wheres the empathy blizzard pls fix

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Agreed, mercenary mode wouldn’t hurt anyone, factions don’t rly make sense from a gameplay perspective anyway.

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The Allience are not gatekeeping anything those “solutions” are terrible for the game it’s selfish horde thinking that want to band aid fix your problem while exacerbating the problem for the other side there is a clear solution already available and other solutions that players put forward for faction balance but most of you just want to have your cake and eat it.

You say people will play horde but in wrath you will see horde flock to Allience in droves for PvP there is reasons for why PvP players roll horde it doesn’t take someone with 100 or higher iq to figure out why.

Your solutions want to kill the world of Allience players so entire outland is just horde zug zuging about with 0 Allience put a proper solution and you will get Allience support

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What I think some of you thay play horde doesn’t seem to understand is that this is the one advantage from playing the underdog faction.

Faction imbalance causes many problems in the game for the alliance, it cause 1 problem for the horde, and BAM 200 posts about that one problem.

How would you like the alliance to be able to turn off pvp near instances so they wont get grinded?

Or phase them out after 3 death in the open world, so they wont get grinded?

Or give them a buff if they enter a doungen/raid with less than 5/25 players so they are able to do the content with fewer players?

Or give them an xp buff to make up for the time they loose by being killed over and over while questing?

This is all solutions to some of the problems the faction imbalance create, but #nochanges please.

Do the changes above sound like tbc to you?
Most likely not, exacly the same way your suggestions for the que times doesn’t sound like tbc to many players.

Look at the faction imbalance and the problems it create as a whole, and try and fix that instead of zooming in on just 1 problem.
Then you would get much more sympathi from alliance players i’m sure.

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On low pop servers Alliance and horde should be allowed to do dungeons together, if someone really wants to do pvp they will do it in either BG or arena where there is challenge.

I’m playing on a mostly horde pop server but apart from 1 mishap, I can’t name any other instances where ppl rly shat on each other in world pvp at summ stones or whatnot.

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You would have to introduce faction change as well then because with those changes there would be very little reason to play alliance.

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We give you mercenary mode, we trade racials with each other. Deal?

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Yes. Maybe the pressure of not getting honor will be enough to make enough people change to achieve some semblance of equality. They didn’t give in either when p2 made the game literally unplayable for alliance on all pvp servers either.

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Yes zero sympathy because horde players knew exactly what they were doing when they joined the faction. EZmode world PvP with 80/20 faction balance on most servers, EZmode PvE because more players to pick from, EZ mode BGs because all the PvP tryhards rolled horde.

You joined horde because it’s EZ mode and now you’re crying because of the queue situation that YOU created with all your FOTM EZ mode rerollers. GOOD JOB ENJOY YOUR QUEUES.

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Let’s be honest, every player who geniuenly enjoy PvP doesn’t whine about mercenary mode. Those players roll alliance or just spend que time in world PvP while farming in elemental plateau for example.

Most of the posts about long queues is tied to “honor gains” so I have this weird feeling that you just want your full PvP set asap. Do you think that getting full epic gear in /played 46days is too long ? You are good at math so please tell me, how many days it take to get full epic gear from Kara, Gruul and Maghteridon’s right now without guild feeding you all the pieces ?

No, I don’t want horde to wait so long for PvP content. I want new players to begin in alliance, and some of horde to reroll. I want this because most of the servers are still in Horde favour and that makes questing miserable. I want to couple PvP guilds to switch to alliance so winning rate is more even. I don’t want retail-like changes which will only widen the gap in populations. And finaly I don’t want environment where the best way to gear your character is to do PvP, I don’t want to be softly forced into BG’s because farming epic weapon from raids going to take multiple more hours than simply buying it for honor.

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I swear we need more people like you. The way you put it is undeniable true and right.
Wish blizzard answer to this and do something about . And now you put in to that perspective I wonder if this try hard nochange are not try to put down more players just because they wanna be the peak of the cake .

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Except orc’s racial for Hunters and warlocks, alliance have the better pvp and pve racials. People are just big ol roleplayers, pvping as undeads and orcs.
Gnomes are the best pve and pvp mages, pvp warriors and warlocks.
Humans are the best pve and pvp rogues, best pve warriors.
Draenei are the best pve shamans and priests.
Dwarfs are the best pvp priests and paladins.
Night elfs are by far the best pvp druids.

People just roleplay as “pvp guru” undead rogues and orc warriors.

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Mercenary mode would make playing Alliance untill Wrath and Human buff pointless for a PvPer.
It would also create retail problem when mercenaries go for a quick loss, while when they play on Horde side they go for the win.
So why should we show ephaty for players who only want to solve their problems they created by mass rolling into Horde at our expense?

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They got rights, you know ?
They dont want any responsibilities or consequences of choices.

Thats how it works nowadays.

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There is also a way to abuse the merc system. If you can que against your own faction then you can create community for kills/win trading and gear up everyone in couple weeks.

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Geez, how can u Alliance players be so hateful? That’s what I always disliked about alliance. Care bears not joining pvp and when they do, they just want it to be bad for the other faction.

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Alliance players are the only people who actively fight against longer horde que. It’s pure hypocrisy to blame alliance for problems created directly by PvP horde players.

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Shoulda rolled Alliance.
I have 0 sympathy. You knew exactly what you were signing up for.

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That’s what WoW is about now. Fun in the form of a stronger faction 3in1 2in1 wPvP only when you are outnumbered, when you will be bored in queues so you troll on the forums. That’s why population numbers are hidden?