It’s PVP. PVP in WoW is probably the best PVP in history among all games. It’s ironic that PVP-only games such as Overwatch, CS, Dota are not even close. WoW PvP requires strategy, spells priorities and reaction, class and talents knowledge and items combinations. Things like fake casting, and time-predicting warr’s charge with rogue’s shadowstep are such unique mechanics which require practice.
PVP aspect of the game is constantly being ignored by Blizzard. We don’t need stupid Ashenvale “PVP” event where you need to kill 3 NPCs faster than another fraction. We don’t need “PVP” BRD event where you just fight 1vs100. Why there is no Arenas in SOD? We need Arenas, we need new unique PvP mods. In each expansion you give people new raids, new quests, dungeons, garrisons, pet battles, dragon flights, but you never give anything to pvp players yet THIS IS THE ACTUAL BEST ASPECT OF THE GAME. It is replayable and repeatable, it’s not predictable, it does not have stupid mechanics like “go out of fire for two seconds then continue to spam button 1 for a minute”. SOD is another mistake. If it’s a seasonal mode with experiments, EXPERIMENT WITH PVP IN 25 YEARS. Add 1v1, 2v2, 3v3 Arenas, add Bounty Hunter contracts, add new Battlegrounds and new modes. I don’t know, add bg mode where you need to actually kill other players, not doing pve things like capturing flag/points or killing NPC bosses. Jesus, why all battlegrounds in all WoW expansions require to do PvE stuff to win? Why there’s no mode like which fraction makes more kills in 10 mins = wins. Or something like solo bgs with ladders. Or something like bgs with 4 teams of 5 ppl. Unique modes with unique rewards. Why? It is actually interesting and hard to get a full pvp gear in vanilla and I respect ppl in PVP gear, but why PvP sets are not upgradable and limited? Why there’s 0 improvements to PvP in SOD? Why everone is doing x2-x3 vanilla damage, but ppl still have 4k HP and only 30% dmg reduction? Everyone gets oneshotted. You literally made 20 man raids because of OP damage. Do you really enjoy logging once a week to clear 12 raid bosses in 1 hour by spamming 3 buttons? I’m playing a different game and I want improvements and new features (the last time you did something new was Arena in TBC).
Facts been spoken.
Most things do until you play SoD Shaman/Hunter, both of which don’t have a brain to begin with in PvP. Both of which just require how to circle jerk tbh.
They need to pleasure the PvE players that couldn’t give any time towards repgrinds, and then they also nerf AV honor/repgain per hour. The irony.
Finally someone that speaks the language of PvP, too bad blizz doesn’t speak it and listens to the PvE dads. Quite a shame.
shamans and hunters oneshotting is peak dumb, hold my beer. both classes still dominate without exception which is just going too far.
Because the devs dislike it. At this point, there is no other way to explain it. They rather spend their day tweeting and changing stats on level 55 stratholme gear no one wears anyway.
This is one hell of a post. No paragraphs, and the density of factually false judgements is off charts. Let’s start.
WoW PvP is worse than any competitive PvP game that I have played. CS and Dota are many miles better than WoW in terms of PvP
That is because WoW is a PvE game. PvE has always had and will always have more resources and time spent on it by players as well as by the devs. PvP is a poorly done side show
SoD has already had a lot of PvP experiments. It is by far the most PvP - skewed version of WoW we’ve ever had. Also every single PvP experiment failed and the balance is even worse than it was in vanilla, so I would rather we didn’t have any more PvP “experiments”
2 out of 3 BGs in SoD literally have 0 mobs or PvE objectives
Yes that’s what most players in WoW do, what did you expect? This is not CS:GO, this is a chill cooperative non-competitive game
If you like PvP and competitive games so much I suggest that you play a game that is actually PvP or at least has a more or less decent PvP mode, not a literal 2 decade old MMO RPG
and when i thought PvPers could not be more delusional they come up with things like this.
Sigh.
You obviously don’t like nor play PvP, how can you judge ?
The forced balance on PvP server is a great thing. I was so disappointed by the pvp servers in Cataclysm that I stopped after a couple of weeks, even though the pvp balance is good.
I reckon the main issue with PvP is that we have too many andies rolling on PvP servers and whining because PvP happens.
Yes griefing is stupid, and some guys can be real frustrating ganking people 10 lvl under their own but it gives the game a sense of danger that makes the grind quite boring otherwise.
Sadly the community is too achievement-oriented atm. Everything needs to be a speed run and every grind is seen as a chore by the players. It might be because of the phasing system that makes everyone feels like we’re on the clock or something but WoW Classic is interesting because it provides a deeper tempo than most games atm. Travelling is slow, questing is slow, grinding is somewhat slow, pve is medium tempo and PvP is fast tempo. Being able to experience them all is a very agreable experience.
You know i can just tell you that you are better than me right?`
You don’t have to kill someone and waste their time with runbacks etc just to prove you are and to stroke your own ego.
We can just have a “Hey you ARE better than me” and i can be on my way there’s no need to “Prove” it 
Yeah because there is no ego in parsing, clearing raids and getting BiS items ofc.
I just love the hypocrisy of players thinking pvp players = ego players. The biggest drama queen I’ve encountered in the game are the 90+ parsers that think they are carrying everyone else and have to be obeyed by the pleb.
Again, if you don’t wanna PvP, there are PvE servers for you. Don’t step into a BG and leave the PvP posts to people concerned by it. Your whole post screams about your hurt feelings and your ravenous need for drama.
That does not come at the cost of someone elses enjoyment.
The PvPers enjoyment is litterally “Ruin the fun for someone else”
For what other reason than “I am better than you” would you want to PvP ?
Because it’s fun not to play against the same 20 year old scripted game ?
I enjoy some PvE but at the end of the day it’s the same thing every week. There’s no surprise, it’s just a repetitive start and praying you’ll get to loot your fancy item to get 5 more DPS next week.
They don’t dislike it, they are just bad at balancing their game… and pvp is harder to balance than pve #theygaveup.
Pvp is where you get to test your skills, not just hitting a target dummy that does the same exact rotation against you every 15 seconds. Practice the boss rotation and you can play it with a blindfold on. Maybe it’s fun the first few times, but after you know there’s 0% chance of failure, is it still exciting? In pvp there’s always a chance for you to find a better opponent to test you and in return make you adapt to become better aswell and finally beat them again after more practice.
Not all pvp is about camping outside a dungeon with 20 hunter traps and attacking people with 3% hp.
Well, that is the PvP i assume you are all talking about.
Since you all are just abusive people that want to ruin it for everyone else.
It’s not like we dislike PvP inherently as a concept, it’s that PvP in WoW is glaringly so imbalanced and poorly done, and moreover the game is clearly PvE-oriented as a whole so basically any decent game that focuses on PvP is gonna have a PvP system infinitely better than WoW.
Every game that the OP listed, from Overwatch to Dota, ironically is much better than WoW in terms of PvP, and believe me I have played over 10k hours of DotA and I hate it with passion. WoW lacks basic mechanics to offer bearable PvP experience.
World PvP simply has no point. It does not give any substantial rewards. Even in Retail (much more graveyards) graveyard runbacks are so boring that it’s still not worth attacking a person even if you are 80% sure you’ll win the encounter because you do not want to run back as a ghost for 3 minutes in case the 20% happen. The game lacks an additional resurrection mechanic for WPvP and without it engaging in WPvP is always not worth your time, not to mention it’s pointless reward-wise. The only people for whom it’s worth are people who enjoy ruining gameplay for others. Did I mention that half the servers do not even have WPvP to begin with due to being PvE?
Battlegrounds are lacking as well. There is no balance in terms of skill/equipment/groups in teams. Every PvP game with a bit of decency has a matchmaker that would take it into consideration because even an idiot developer understands that you need to push for ~50% winrate policy or otherwise people significantly below 50% will be unhappy and quit. Not only do we not have a good matchmaker for BGs, but we have our population divided into 2 openly uneven sets where 1 set is just much bigger and also stronger individually than the other one, and the devs show no desire or intention to fix that. You will never be able to build a healthy PvP system like this.
But all of the above pales in comparison to the fact that PvE simply is the main draw to the game. People mostly do PvE, it’s the foundation of gameplay and it defines the game. WoW is chill, non-competitive and rather cooperative. The target audience is 35yo men who come back from work to click 4 buttons in the raid while sipping on their beer and killing loot piñatas in under a munute. That’s not exactly the most PvP-capable people. Trying to develop PvP in WoW further is as illogical as trying to develop a shooter that serves as a diversity activity in a game where you take care of rainbow ponies
You assume that, and i assume you’re a clueless troll.
All you people do that, getting called out or when someone don’t share your game view, it’s just to say “You’re a troll”
Because different opinions are not allowed, Another reason i dislike you all.
Well you’re assuming stuff about me without any knowledge or understanding. To me that smells like a troll fishing for irrelevant stuff to discuss. (I don’t like pvp so no1 should, boo hooo). I enjoy both pve and pvp and value both aspects of the game, alot of players play pve to get new gear that they can try out and enjoy in pvp.
All i know is that PvPers are abusers & harassers and we’d be better off without all of them.
Explosive trap + AoE people outside of the Instance portals.
People hunting down low levels or going in groups of 3-10 hunting down any one
The Incursions situation where it got so bad that blizzard had to offer free realm transfer because it got so bad.
I also know about a thing that happent back when wotlk had fresh start realm, Somehow a guy managed to transfer/make a DK on one of those servers and since noone was above 30 on those servers yet, this guy proceed to just sit in SM for 6+ hrs just one shooting everyone who came there.
People who PvP are just such petty low life scumm to participate in this kind of stuff
How do you get harassed by these pvp abusers on a pve server?