I personally don’t care too much about meta picks and just play whatever is fun for me, I’m playing Sub and having a blast.
I wanted to cross check some guides on how to play better rotationally on multiple sources and I’ve noticed a general consensus that Sub is atrocious.
Whether it’s AOE or ST Sub is extremely underperforming in terms of the numbers seen on sites like Archon, U.GG, Icy Veins, Maxroll etc.
Now I’m far from being a good Sub player and I’d even argue I’m a beginner, but I’ve seen double, sometimes triple even quadruple the numbers that are presented on these sites whenever I dps.
Is it a lack of logs? Lack of good players? Or is the spec/class just in a bad state (other than Assa) and doesn’t pool enough interest resulting in faulty data?
Because some specs, due to kit, are mostly suited to PvP.
Subtlety is the best example.
That doesn’t make sense, though.
Sub has had really good uncapped AOE and incredible ST in the not so long ago past.
And in practice, you can still achieve very respectable AOE and ST, but the data doesn’t reflect that and in fact shows the complete opposite.
It does make sense.
They never had that AoE until rather recently.
Just like frost has mild AoE.
Arms didn’t even have sweeping strikes before.
So you’d be single targetting everything.
Why not just actually admit that there’s reasoning to what im saying?
Unless you’re not aware of how the game was before, which I guess would explain it.
What I don’t understand is why does it matter what it used to be like if now they have the tools
They’re still not as good because, sigh again, they’re mostly PvP specs.
No clue what you’re talking about honestly, Sub has been utilized in PVE content since forever. Sure, it shines in PVP but there isn’t such a thing as a “mostly” PVP spec
People just love to whine if their spec isn’t S-Tier.
wat
I’m just wondering why every data site seems to show Sub as having S1 DF tier damage no clue what even made you think I’m whining lmao
I wasn’t talking about you, I was talking the people who whine.
Yeah sure it has buddy.
It would have been easier to say “I have no clue about the game”.
This is the most classic take I’ve had the misfortune of reading
IMO the only issue with Sub in PvE is that its AoE damage is atrocious. Shuriken Storm and Black Powder are SO undertuned that the only somewhat viable build is Trickster where you basically spam single target rotation and cleave with a passive, essentially never using your AoE buttons. Ever. So it’s basically a numerically inferior Outlaw.
In PvP we don’t even have that, it does literally half damage of what any braindead Warrior can do by just pressing Bladestorm. You still have Rogue utility of course but you depend on others for dealing the damage which doesn’t really fit the “shadowy assassin” fantasy…
Because god forbid you die to a sub 1v1 using his stunts. No lets nerf all stunts, have it deal pathetic damage and if you wanna kill anything you better bring someone.
Might as well play DK with a pet seeing as even a hunter has more damage mobility and survivavility than a rogue xd
Because rogues over all, and Sub ESPECIALLY, have to jump through 10 hoops while backflipping to deal the same amount of damage that a half asleep fury warrior does…
I dont know who thought that having to juggle 8 to 10 cooldowns that dont really overlap most of the time was a good idea…
How did you get this conclusion? I am playing sub and assa. Assa is slightly better in AoE but also only if you can re-stealth every pull, otherwise sub is better. Meanwhile sub outperforms assa in ST by a lot.
If anything I’d argue sub is in a good spot. It’s not broken S tier but it’s also nowhere at the bottom.
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