Why does Word of Glory for Retribution heal on average 5% maximum health?

[Atahalni-argent-dawn (Atahalni)]

MoP and WoD were peak.

[Lockfromwish-ravencrest]

@Akcope-thunderhorn

The moment anybody brings up their or other person’s rating tells me they either have no good arguments left or are at the forum just to argue and troll. In your case it’s both.

@Akcope-thunderhorn

@Lockfromwish-ravencrest

@Akcope-thunderhorn

Dishonest comment. You could write such a list about any class.

Can you? Please name other classes or specs that have 3 different immunities to a category of damage.

@Akcope-thunderhorn

You can only have two types of immunity at a time as the bops share a cooldown

At a time =/= available to a spec

@Akcope-thunderhorn

Both shield and spellbop can be easily removed by two of the most played classes in the game, guaranteeing to have one of them in nearly every lobby

Providing you either don’t A) CC the Warrior on the Shattering Throw, B) outrange the Shattering Throw, C) line of sight the Shattering Throw, D) interrupt the Priest on Mass Dispel E) CC the Priest on Mass Dispel or F) LoS the Mass Dispel. And by the way, if magic bop and regular bubble are used in short succession, there’s no way of removing the second one unless you’re against a Warrior AND a Priest and they rotate the removals, because there’s a thing called a ‘cooldown’.

@Akcope-thunderhorn

BoP is dispelled pretty much in a gcd at higher ratings

Rating has absolutely nothing to do with RNG, you also know nothing about ‘higher ratings’.

@Akcope-thunderhorn

It is literally 10%.

A damage reduction usable in stuns.

@Akcope-thunderhorn

A way of reducing stuns and silences on themselves on a short CD? It is almost never used in this way.

In world pvp, the content that the OP is referring to, (it’s in the first sentence of his thread, I know reading is hard so I’ll point it out to you you):

@Vegangodx-ravencrest

Honestly it’s the biggest joke of this expansion that WOG does 400k heals in open world pvp

It absolutely should be. But hey you’re the negative win rate Ret so what do I know eh!

Ret is stacked enough, it doesn’t need extra off healing too.

@Akcope-thunderhorn

The damage of the shield that explodes for “a lot of damage” is nerfed by 40% in pvp, is melee range, and gets spread amongst all the nearby targets, making it useless against any classes with a pet

But if someone bursts through it and it kills them, you’d tell them they shouldn’t have burned through it, wouldn’t you?

The moment anybody brings up their or other person’s rating tells me they either have no good arguments left or are at the forum just to argue and troll. In your case it’s both.

I’m not even going to waste time responding to your individual points, they are all bad as you are either grasping at straws with technicalities or attacking my rating.

All of my arguments are perfectly valid, you just have no decent rebuttal to them. For example argument 1:

@Lockfromwish-ravencrest

Please name other classes or specs that have 3 different immunities to a category of damage.

Name one. You said we can ‘write such a list about any class’, so please tell me 1 other class that has 3 different immunities to a category of damage.

By the way, you’re the one who made an argument about ratings, saying how ‘BoP is dispelled pretty much in a GCD at higher ratings’ when trying to downplay the strength of your abilities. Rating has absolutely nothing to do with RNG, and you know nothing about ‘higher rating’ anyway. You also have a negative win rate. These are facts, sorry if they offend you. Therefore, your misunderstandings and downplaying of your perfectly fine (and in some regards, overtuned) spec can be easily forgiven, don’t worry.

[Axran-ravencrest]

Hunters can heal for more?
you mean our 2 minute cooldown that heals 30% hp ?

compared to a WoG thats spammable alongside free instant cast flash heals if you talent it

[Akcope-thunderhorn (Akcope)]

@Lockfromwish-ravencrest

All of my arguments are perfectly valid, you just have no decent rebuttal to them. For example argument 1:

@Lockfromwish-ravencrest

Please name other classes or specs that have 3 different immunities to a category of damage.

Name one. You said we can ‘write such a list about any class’, so please tell me 1 other class that has 3 different immunities to a category of damage.

By the way, you’re the one who made an argument about ratings, saying how ‘BoP is dispelled pretty much in a GCD at higher ratings’ when trying to downplay the strength of your abilities. Rating has absolutely nothing to do with RNG, and you know nothing about ‘higher rating’ anyway. You also have a negative win rate. These are facts, sorry if they offend you. Therefore, your misunderstandings and downplaying of your perfectly fine (and in some regards, overtuned) spec can be easily forgiven, don’t worry.

Nah, I’m good, I’ll pass on your “ehm ackchyually” troll bait. You can move on and put a trophy of yet another forum argument won on your shelf.

[Lockfromwish-ravencrest]

Can you name any other spec that has 3 different immunities to a category of damage? Yes or no?

Couldn’t care less about winning or losing ‘forum arguments’, I’d rather educate the misinformed/the delulu’s.

[Bac-auchindoun]

@Lockfromwish-ravencrest

Because Ret Paladin already has 3 types of immunity, a full heal, a decent Shield that explodes a lot of damage back if you go through it, a wall that can be used while in stuns, a physical damage wall that also does damage back to attackers, a way of reducing stuns and silences on themselves on a short CD.

It’s truly a mystery why their heals don’t have bigger numbers.

I’ll solve the mystery for you: Ret like all other hybrids are speced into DPS, therefore all hybrids dont need to have big heals. They speced into DPS to deal damage, right? Want to heal yourself? Then change spec to healer.

[Killrogue-argent-dawn]

Spending focus reduce the cd of it.
Also dark ranger ability that when use your heal you get survival proc and when use survival you get healed.

[Lockfromwish-ravencrest]

Oh my God that’s probably the best thing you’ve ever written

[Xovaal-firemaw]

Evasion = Immunity to all melee attacks
Cloak = Immunity to all magic attacks
Evasion = Immunity to all attacks.

[Bloodlock-onyxia (Bloodlock)]

Well and we all know rogue is the epitome of broken.

[Bac-auchindoun]

@Bloodlock-onyxia

Well and we all know rogue is the epitome of broken.

Why is rog broken? Because lock cant steamroll rog like they do to other classes? Sounds to me lock is the one that is broken and needs nerf.

[Lockfromwish-ravencrest]

@Xovaal-firemaw

Evasion = Immunity to all melee attacks

Unless hitting from behind. Evasion is not an IMMUNITY to a category of damage.

@Xovaal-firemaw

Evasion = Immunity to all attacks.

… what?

@Xovaal-firemaw

Cloak = Immunity to all magic attacks

So one. I asked for three.

[Bloodlock-onyxia (Bloodlock)]

@Lockfromwish-ravencrest

… what?

I think he’s refering to this talent

Bait and Switch

It’s not an immunity though so kinda whatever.

[Akcope-thunderhorn (Akcope)]

@Bac-auchindoun

I’ll solve the mystery for you: Ret like all other hybrids are speced into DPS, therefore all hybrids dont need to have big heals. They speced into DPS to deal damage, right? Want to heal yourself? Then change spec to healer.

Look, I’m totally down with that logic.

AS LONG AS non-hybrid classes like warriors and mages don’t stably heal way more than ret without even having to sacrifice as much damage.

[Deymio-defias-brotherhood (Deymio)]

@Akcope-thunderhorn

AS LONG AS non-hybrid classes like warriors and mages don’t stably heal way more than ret without even having to sacrifice as much damage.

If you wanna go by that logic Warrior is a Tank/DPS hybrid. Tanks are durable and selfheal = durability. That’s why Heal hybrids are able to heal other party members as well and not just themselves like warrior.
The hybrid concept is completely outdated anyways. Besides some utility and off/deff cds the specs of the same class don’t really share much more.
All the specs have some kind of durability. Some more than others but that’s just balancing

[Killrogue-argent-dawn]

The problem is not that warrior can self heal but the weak selfheals of ret paladin.

[Randomdkxd-ravencrest]

@Magegød-stormscale

its funny because most of u actually think your class is not giga busted and easy to play so often, no matter how many times they nerf mage, mage is always free r1 ez pz most beloved class in the game

then when u get asked when wow pvp was better u all like “mop was peak” and then in mop i press deepfreeze 3x icelance and u die

now u complain icelance doing 10% of your hp bar, but praise mop where i had stun and icelance did 33%+? k

the game was different back then if you messed your mobility up meele could punish you thats not the case now you can just casually max range meele while doing good dps not saying meele mobility is fine either but there is no way i should be able to blink 3x displacement alter time back after blinking and blast wave people on an 18 second cd and thats without taking into account roots/snares.

Mage should go back to how it was in the past a glass cannon where yes you could do these things but it had a cooldown you had to play around and the mage and the comps that played with mage had to cover cc so you could get it off, you couldn’t just rng proc time warp and combust/veins/surge you had to play around frozen orb/veins deepfreeze/combust.

Mage lost a lot of what made it hard to play over the years just because of the shift in gameplay design right now you dont even have to land sheeps to win games thats a problem.

[Magegød-stormscale]

not only SOME classes can literally catch up to u, outrun u and so on

but when paired into arena, because im assuming yall talk about arena right, there is dispells on alter, block is 1 secon top and against good ppl its pre MD/shatter

and 2x melees can easily alternate their mobility/grips

not to mention that u r not able to blink stuns, and i swear ive seen ppl killing in 1 stormbolt, grip, silence, stormbolt, block, shatter/md, blink, grip, shockwave/spear/even fear
thank god i play bg and ill just hp pot this.

[Egzørcysta-pyrewood-village]

Edit: was supposed to be a reply to the god of mages.

@Magegød-stormscale

but when paired into arena, because im assuming yall talk about arena right

Since this is an arena forum I would assume people talk arena.

@Magegød-stormscale

there is dispells on alter

gl with 1 dispel into 5 rows of buffs some comps dont even have dispell

@Magegød-stormscale

and 2x melees can easily alternate their mobility/grips

will never happen in shuffle

@Magegød-stormscale

not to mention that u r not able to blink stuns

That’s why you don’t play shimmer into comps with stuns? I wanna see a footage of mage dying in a stormbolt

@Magegød-stormscale

thank god i play bg and ill just hp pot this.