I think since they’re making so few sets now, they should make it so you can buy anything for any season at a given rating or something. Even the pvp sets recently have been severely disappointing.
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If you take the old Classic Marshall/Warlords sets and weapons for getting rank 12, 13, and 14, then Blizzard made those available again in Cataclysm by getting a high rating in Rated Battlegrounds.
No one threw a hissy fit over that.
So why should Elite Arena sets be any different?
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its not flawed logic, if i agree to his statement in good faith
“So if you dont raid actual Mythic bosses in their time, you dont deserve their mogs. Right?”
Look, i changed character because you cant understand yet I DO raid.
That answer goes to jito i assume?
Youre a bit confused here mate.
You know what “?” means?
Its a question, by asking a question you dont state you automatically believe that. Im asking HIM not you neither me.
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Agreed with everything said here.
Not to mention that some Elite sets are already “less exclusive” than other ones because they were available for more than 1 season anyway. So what’s the point?
- MoP’s 2nd season (Tyrannical) Elite gear literally didn’t even have a rating requirement.
- MoP’s 3rd and 4th seasons (Grievous and Prideful) shared the same Elite gear and weapons.
- WoD’s 2nd and 3rd seasons (Wild and Warmongering) shared the same Elite gear and weapons.
- Legion as an expansion followed WoD’s philosophy, leading to some Elite sets being available for 3 seasons straight!
Having come to this point, where’s all this “exclusivity” anymore? Either everything should be unlockable after the expansion ends, or nothing, imo.
Take my biased case as an example. Why did I have the luxury of earning the same Elite set for 3 seasons in a row (which I didn’t even like, btw) but had only one chance to earn the Elite sets of Cataclysm? What makes Cataclysm’s Elite sets so much different/better than the older ones? What’s the difference?
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just abit tired but im glad im irritating a troll. minimum effort maximum butthurt.
As it seems youre the one that is actually irritated.
Im just trying to explain you how to browse armory since are not able to do it 
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I think the inconsistency from that was because Blizzard wanted to have more Seasons per expansion, so they basically started having two or three Seasons per patch as opposed to one, whilst using the same rewards for all of them.
So there’s some weird inconsistencies in the reward structures across the Seasons.
And it’s not like any Elite PvP Set is representative of a specific Season anyway, because Blizzard often makes plenty of balance changes during a Season. Early Season vs. late Season can be two completely different play experiences.
So if you’re the Frost Death Knight that cruises to 2400 rating early in Season 2 because you’re completely overpowered, then that’s quite different from the Frost Death Knight who chooses to do the same rating climb late in the Season after Blizzard have swung the nerf-hammer. And the prestige of the rewards you acquire hold quite a different meaning depending on whether you acquire them whilst being overpowered and FotM or whilst being mediocre and semi-viable.
Regardless, from a personal biased level, I’m old-school rank 13 from Vanilla, and I certainly don’t mind that if I walk around with my Marshall set transmogrification, that others can look at me and go: “Whoa, that looks so cool! I’m going to try and get that too!”
That’s great. If a cool and awesome reward inspires and motivates people to be excited about doing some PvP, then that’s awesome.
Right now with Arena you look at the rewards and if you think they’re meh, then you don’t really have any incentive to play. Why bother?
If all the rewards are always available, then there’s a lot more motivation for players to get engaged and try to excel at PvP, because they might actually be super excited about the prospect of earning some of the rewards that they think are particularly cool.
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Elite gear should stay unobtainable after the season it was originally obtained in. If anything should be done it’s to add the elite ensemble to all players who only have a couple of pieces of an elite set (because back in the day it took ~10 weeks to get the full set which wasnt always possible to get depending on season and when in the season you got the rating).
Stop requesting that everyone should have access to everything, that just serves to remove the prestige of actually earning things.
This is the reason why store mounts arent cool, this is the reason why mythic gear isnt cool, this the reason why old rare mounts from raids arent cool. Because just any old clicker can get it with zero skill, just need a wallet or time.
As for the suggestions to make the sets available as long as you get high rating? No. Dont want broken pre-patch specs / OP S5 DK / S12 Warrior, or equivalent future variant, to get elite gear from ALL seasons, including those when that spec/class was actually hard etc. It’s enough that they get the elite set for the current season.
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You mean mogs?
They are ULTRA-cool.
What are you talking about
But can’t this argument here be reversed by pointing out the opposite of it? Let’s take 2 Warrior players as an example, and name them “A” and “B”.
A is some Warrior guy who hit 2.200 during Season 12 and got his hands on a rather cool set. Not the best Warrior set out there, not by a long shot, but still rather cool.
B is some guy who just happened to start playing the game later (any reason you can think of, it doesn’t really matter too much) but in less overall time played, he is already a better player in most aspects when compared to A, and next season he manages to grab a Glad/R1 title all the while his class is like 1/10th as strong as it was back in S12.
Doesn’t it come off a bit awkward? I mean that player A still has access to something that player B doesn’t. At least it does seem weird to me.
To quote some parts from the rest of your post:
Completely agreed.
That’s debatable, I think.
Well, store mounts aren’t cool because, let’s be real with each other, they are “bad”. At least most of them. I know I cannot speak for anyone here other than myself, but I know that I would personally never go after these mounts even if they were obtainable from within the game (perhaps with the exception of Winged Guardian?).
As for Mythic gear, imo, it looks pretty dope and awesome. Not all of it of course, but mogs like the Paladin and Priest sets from Tomb of Sargeras and Antorus do stand out quite a bit.
It’s not cool because anyone can get the gear. Doesnt matter if it looks fancy if I know that nosepicking-Billy can get it while blindfolded and playing with one hand.
No, it’s not awkward at all. It’s called exclusivity. There’s a reason the coolest items in the game are the ones that are not obtainable anymore and which were hard to get to start with / no one bothered with.
Why should i care that anyone can get that mog?
I will use whatever i like to and wont care if another player use it.
With this logic, dont use BiS gear and BiS talents because everyone uses them ^^
Achievements of PVP is what separates them from those who didnt do it.
Even cutting edge mounts are available with a minimal effort.
So the pvp sets would be for those who want them, i dont give a damn about mogs but since pve mogs are obtainable when the content outdates same should happen to pvp mogs.
But even “the coolest items” is a subjective concept, my dude!
For me, one of the coolest Tabards is actually that of the Lightbringer. And anyone can obtain it, especially nowadays. This, however, does not make me like it any less. I like it as much as when I first saw it, and I still use it on my mogs even to this day (not right now though).
Illidan’s Warglaives are also amazing as far as cool weapons go, yet they are still obtainable and moggable. Shadowmourne looks really nice too. Still obtainable.
On the other hand, Paladins’ Elite Vicious Set looks like… eh. But I do happen to like it despite that. Always did. I just mean to say that an item doesn’t necessarily start “becoming cool” once its unobtainable. Lots of people seem to forget that sometimes, something that makes people think of an item as “cool” is because… it is cool. And that’s that.
That’s my take on it anyways.
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There should be some prestige people can earn in a rpg something you can feel like you earned, this is what the PvP elite sets are, same as the mage tower and challange mode rewards.
Not everything should be mundane.
There are plenty of other cool sets people can farm let there be something for the people who wants something that lets them stand out.
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Every mount and transmog Method have ever gotten from raiding, others can still get today.
Fine feathers make fine birds. But greatness in WoW is the gameplay accomplishments, not the vanity rewards that come from them.
People hold accomplished players in high regard, not because of what they own or what they wear, but because of what they do and what they’ve done.
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Huge flaw. Shouldnt be transmoggable if you dont have curve or some similar solution.
Will obviously never happen though because Blizzard loves their casuals too much.
And how do you know who to hold in high regard nowadays? Go look at their armory or their achievements? So intuitive, so natural.
Gear used to be the way you’d see what someone had done. Very in your face, very “I want to be that good too one day so I can wear that cool gear”. Transmog in combination with old raid gear being ez-mode to obtain and tmog destroyed that.
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Elite gear has been a “middle-tier” reward since Cataclysm though. It’s not like everyone who was wearing it was an insanely high rated and good player.
Also, don’t forget to take into account that back then some Battlegroups were waaay easier than others. So the difference between 2 players with the same exp could be quite huge, actually. To further prove my point, let me link you something:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9LDvXezKkI&
P.S. Before the context of this reply gets compeltely misunderstood, yes, I know that the Elemental player shown in the video is Snodz, who later got many Rank 1 titles during MoP. My aim here is not to “shame” these players, any of them. This is just to show how people tend to kind of “overglorify” stuff of the past. Whenever I looked at people with that kind of gear, I never thought once that “I want to be that good too one day so I can wear that cool gear”. What made me think “I wanna be that good too one day” was peoples’ rating when I was inspecting them, and their titles.
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But how do I know anyway? Off the top of my head, I certainly don’t remember what 20ish different Arena sets looks like across 9 to 12 classes.
The Hunter next to me could be wearing an Elite Arena set from Warlords of Draenor or Cataclysm and I honestly wouldn’t know, because I just don’t remember what those Hunter sets look like.
There are simply too many sets and too many transmogrification appearances in WoW for players to remember where each one is from and what it represents.
Everything just gets thrown into the same melting pot of personal expression and dress-up-Barbie these days, and that’s fine.
You’re kidding yourself if you think standing around in Stormwind or Orgrimmar with your Elite Arena set is going to stop anyone in their tracks and go: “Whoa, that’s a high-rated PvPer right there!”
At best they’ll go: “Mediocre transmog, lack of originality. 6/10.”
If there is a desire and a need to actually highlight the accomplishment of high-rated and skilled Arena players – and I think there is – then there are a lot better ways to go about that.
For one, Blizzard could start by integrating the actual Arena ladder into the game.
Yes, that was the trade-off Blizzard made by introducing Transmogrification. And I remember at the time they said that was their concern as well, and why they’d previously hesitated with the idea, because visual identification is – or was – a big deal. They traded that for personal expression and creativity. Good or bad trade? Hard to say, but it is what it is, and no one is getting any recognition for what they’re wearing anymore. Transmogrification and personal expression overshadows all of that.
So Blizzard (and the players by suggestions) have to figure out other ways to highlight the best and most accomplished players in the game.
With raiding they have their Hall of Fame page, which I don’t think has been very successful. But it’s an attempt at something. On the community side there’s a lot more progress in the area, with Wowprogress and logs and so on, that help differentiate and highlight the skilled and accomplished players from the rest.
And maybe Blizzard should attempt something for Arena as well, beyond the ladder page on their website.
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