Why having a separate premade v premade queue will lead to even more problems

No idea why you‘re discussing. As I mentioned above matchmaking will get an update.

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Thank you for that nonsense, really advances your case.

I was just following your flow man.

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Don’t try to argue with these hypocrites, the only reason for premades to exist is to destroy PUGs for honor and reputation effortlessly.

Nothing would prevent them from playing premade if a matchmaking separated the PUGs from the premades, on the other hand they would no longer be able to hide their cowardice and their incompetence behind 3 priests and there… well, that’s the challenge!

Afterwards, they also clearly have an intellectual deficit to assimilate PUGs (Pickup GROUP) to playing SOLO.

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totally wrong.

it’s to swim in the river of tears from the solo snowflakes on the eu wow forums. You can hold boat racing on it and everfin’

Dude, you have mental problems on top of your ego.

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If everyone joined premades, and there were no solo queuers, what is the difference between now and separate queues?

Sec while i microwave some popcorn.

all this schadenfreude is to much, to much.

Why is it not true? You only play pre-made because it’s an easy way to farm honor and reputation. You have no other reasons to play pre-made

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Removing premades from the pug pool will not make forfeit culture more prevalent.

Less rep from premades → Less premades → more ex-premaders will join pug pool with rep min-max mindset → more likely to forfeit to get faster games for more rep

No, you get the queue times you get because that’s how long it takes to find another group. It has nothing to do with penalizing you for playing in a group.

And those queue times go up drastically because the amount of premades will be significantly reduced, thus penalizing you if you want to play as a premade whether you are in it for the rep or not

Then the rest of the group can report them.

Do you really think Blizz is going to do something about it then?

Well if you want the perfect comp every game you’re free to make a group and queue as a premade.

It’s going to take hours then to find such a group, and another few hours to even find a game.

Not at all. There’s plenty of incentive to run a premade even with separate queues. Better gameplay, more challenging, playing together with friends etc. If none of that interests you and you’re only after the best honor / rep per hour and you can’t get a better result as a premade than as solo queue, it’s just a matter of git gud.

Hate to bring it to you, but for most people it is not the journey that matters but the reward. With my solution though the premaders get both more fun (journey) and rep (reward), AND don’t ruin the pug experience anymore so it is a win-win situation. Why are you so against that, and can you think of a better solution than just “deal with it”?

Ye Gods !!! You’ll be telling me you do Dungeons to get items next.

HERETIC.

Do you like playing premade vs premade?

Well, you yourself agree that you only need a premade to kill pugs and farm reputation and honor, not for fun pvp with other premades)

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That’s true and we don’t know what solution they will come up with, but the whole point of this post was to explain why this wouldn’t be a good one (unless they added extra rewards)

If the participation of premades falls so low that you need hours to form a match then that just goes to show that premading sucks and people only do it because of the advantage it brings.

The advantage being free wins vs solo queues.

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mate, if you had not noticed i’m extracting the urine out of you lot. Please don’t take it seriously when i pretend to agree with you for giggles.

I think Zede wants to play vs other premades, i think he’s very interested in a separate queue.

If the participation of premades falls so low that you need hours to form a match then that just goes to show that premading sucks and people only do it because of the advantage it brings.

True, but still why not make it a win-win situation where those premades get their separate queue + extra rep/honor and don’t interfere with the pugs? Unless you can think of something better.

Why do you need extra rep + honor?

If everyone joined premades, and there were no solo queuers, what is the difference between now and separate queues?

1). Chances are that if you play solo now, you would also play solo even with a separate queue

2). even though most premades are created in general/trade chat so essentially pug+, if you create a group you do reduce at least two elements of randomness (class comp and gear).

Why do you need extra rep + honor?

This way the people who are in it for rep+honor have an extra incentive to join a premade, and won’t pollute the pug pool as I explained above