Why introduce world PVP if you can't balance?

PVP War Mode and World PvP
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I’m posting this cause I encountered some things the couple of weeks after a long break. Is it me or is world pvp not scaling anything and is there a huge imbalance in classes?

I started playing couple of weeks ago due to corona, cause I don’t like BFA and nor did I like Legion with the 100000 changes which lead to the game being more for idiots. That’s another topic ofcourse, but what I want to talk about is the things I encountered in World PVP. Is it me or are some classes invincible?
I’m not the best hunter, but I’m not the worst either. I have been doing PVP alot and have always been performing good especially 1v1. As everyone know Survival is the spec to go and performs super good in Arena and BG’s as I experienced. The only thing I noticed in World PVP is even though I play versus someone who doesn’t even have any experience in pvp or anything I get hit like a truck?

I encountered a Demon Hunter who just wouldn’t die, the amount of self healing is just past crazy, compared to my Exhileration heal and the tiny heals I get from having a pet. He hits me like a truck and no way at all of trying to get away as they are more mobile than my mobile phone. I encountered a warrior today and the same story. It seems that hitting plate just doesn’t do alot, and when plate hits me, well… it HITS me. Insane amount of healing. We are in BFA now, what is it expantion number 7 and you introduce world PVP to make it more appealing again, yet you make some classes invincible?

Well I just wanted to get this off my chest, this just reminds me why I should not renew my subscription in 11 days.

I’m not even talking about the endless daily quests and visions in Uldum/Vale, Visions in the Chamber of Hearts, the endless grinding gear through RNG, the endless grinding of the same gear without corruption. This game is turning into a joke. Feels more like one of those MMORPG apps where you have to push a button and wait 15min before you kill a boss.

Greetings,

Angry player who played from the start of TBC.

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It’s not my specialty subject, but in World PVP people have access to all sorts of stuff that isn’t a factor in Arena.

I don’t think Plate armor itself is a big contributor to what you describe. But you may run into someone who was raiding or doing Mythic+ not long before and has a full stack of buffs (flask, food, …).

Also you’re at 450 ilvl on this character, and many of them are like in the 470+ bracket. Which doesn’t even get into the OP corrupted buffs they may well have on their gear.

Balancing would presumably result in 2 equally decked out players having a reasonable chance against eachother, not against someone that’s one or even multiple entire tiers of gear ahead.

After the first couple weeks that just boils down to just one ~15min run a week ?

We’ve literally always had these things in some shape or form. It can get tiresome after a while, but that may just mean it’s time for a break. Or take it as a sign that treating “Gear” as the big central thing which the entire game revolves around, isn’t necessarily the most healthy POV.

Once you’ve got the level of gear where you can do the content you like doing there’s very few real reasons to keep pushing it hard. Do a couple minor productive things (such as one high key a week) and you’ll get decent upgrades over time.

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I was grinding my frost DK who was only 4 levels behind this DH. I felt like I was hitting a cement wall with a spoon, because I couldn’t touch his health for some reason. Obliterate, more like wet noodle.
It’s frustrating to say the least, and not seeing their health go down while they dance around you spamming 3 buttons is a real hit to the morale.

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Sorry, but it seems SURREAL to see a huntar complaining about pretty much anything. Have you seen those things in BGs?

DHs can’t heal in BGs, and a huntar has zillion pets (you get HEAL from pets, too??), that slow, CC, stun, snare, and eat the DH alive, while the huntar shoots 20 thousand arrows between the DH’s eyes before the DH can even try to uselessly ‘imprison’ the huntar that is, of course, immune to such feeble CC anyway, and can’t be interrupted. And can stealth while running, run while stealthed, a DH can’t.

A DH is SO weak, and dies very quickly, and is VERY weak against any kind of CC, even simple snares. So it can’t chase you, either.

How the !@%&#* does a HUNTAR, of all things, have ANY difficulty against DHs?! I don’t even care about the gear difference, just thinking about mobility, CC, bubbles, stealth, pets, slows, snares, all the abilities huntar has that DH doesn’t, and you still die?

That’s just SO surreal, because it goes 100% against ALL my experience as DH against huntars. Nowadays if I see a wiff of a huntar’s pet from 1000 km away, I PANIC and run to the opposite direction as far and wide as I can.

How the !@&%#* does a huntar have ANY kind of struggle against the weakest class in the game?! A rogue could give a huntar some kind of problems, sure. But a DH?! HOW? Just… how??

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I’m talking about world pvp. You’re playing your DH wrong tbh as it’s part of the best comps in Arena these days. You’re talking about BM hunters, that says enough about your pvp knowledge. CC is worth nothing in world pvp. DH are insane when it comes to dealing damage and literally not taking any damage at all. I have a DH myself, so what are you talking about?

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Ignore that dh he doesn’t know how to play. DHs aren’t a top arena class but they’re a top class in wpvp and hard to kill, they can be killed by multiple different classes though you just got to know what you’re doing. As survival you can beat them by kiting. Hunters are pretty strong in wpvp but gears a big thing especially having good corruptions is massive

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DH? Weakest class in game? Are you sure you know how to play one?
I have a DH alt that I rarely play and I joined a bg where the opposed team had 6 hunters, and I with another 2 DHs deleted them easily.
DH has one of the highest 1v1 potential if you have the right pvp build.

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He is trolling , dont get jeb8ted please…

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Marksmanship is the best for wpvp you out range everything and pair it with engineering abd some gliders you cannot be touched ofcourse you still have limits but I really urge you to try MM in world pvp and keep survival for Arenas.

Keep your pet by your side for. Masters call without a pet in pvp for MM youre dead in the water in world pvp so make sure to run one and sta l versatility and see people literally melt

I take survival in zones like nazamir or dust where there is lots of line of sight and I use MM in places like uldum vol dun etc due to the kiting space

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I played MM for ages I know how to play it but still it won’t be any better. Kiting will be easier but so many classes have extreme mobility. demon hunters can use extra potions, glidee on top of the endless mobility and slows they have. Plus the damage of MM is just not there. I know SV hunters are pretty strong, but if you’re a little bit undergeared, you get dropped so fast it’s just so sad. Inspecting people in bg’s with full mythic +15 gear literally destroying people in a matter of seconds should not be how it works. Gear should matter but not to this extent. People who are trying to gear don’t stand a chance. I can barely join m+ cause of my ilvl, I have to respec BM for pve and SV for pvp and MM for world pvp.

Overall it’s just a very very very bad expansion. Pvp is just totally broken, class balance is gone. Pve grinding required for pvp. Pve corruption gear one shots people in arena. I think they just forgot about pvp this expansion…

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World pvp doesn’t need to be balanced but this BS of some classes being insanely steroid AF tool kits and the ondemand sharding should really go, oh and the in combat teleporting to dungeon/arena etc needs to go too.

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So when you’ve spend 45min in a queue for a raid or dungeon or the like, and some random tank engages you in world pvp while you’re doing a WQ to kill time, you should miss the timer and have to queue for the raid again from scratch ? :slight_smile:

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Solutions are easy. Solutions without qol consequences are not so easy.

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Corruption gear is teribble but wpvp is not made to be balanced it’s made to you know pvp how you want in the world ya know

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