where do I see the results of the poll??
I tried it. It just put me on a list. And nothing happened of it. In that time, LFD wouldâve already put me into a group by then. So no, itâs not LFD.
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it puts you in a list so you can make your own groupâŚsimply click on people on the list and ask if they want to group. yeah, lfd is certainly good for lazy players who do not wish to interact with others to form a group. =/
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Yeah I donât wish to interact with a bunch of people who feel like they need an optimal comp for a simple hc dungeon run. Iâve had plenty of cases where ppl felt like they canât afford to bring two people of the same class/spec, no matter how well geared and even if both just need badges, or people who feel like they only want ranged DPS or not a certain class even if, again, theyâre all in it just for badges and arenât trying to reserve a certain drop.
If anything, it feels like the Retail tool will allow people to be even more elitist than now since, if itâs like on Retail, it will allow group leaders to easily check the history and performance of prospective players.
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do you have amnesia from original wrath or did you play wrath on private servers? rdf will only make grouping more elitistâŚyou will get insta kicked due to gear score, insta kicked for dying or wiping, and not be picked for random groups in lfg due to gear score. At least with the existing grouping tool, simply saying hello before inviting does wonders for the group attitudeâŚpeople are more forgiving and willing to stick to it when people initially socialize. And no group likes to have multiple of one classâyou lose a variety of buffs/debuffs. Mages are also not going to be as demand in wrath, so you may still have issues grouping. Classic wow xpacs are meant for folks to be in guilds to progressâŚnot solo play the game and pay for gdkp runs. Just join a guild and make some friends <3
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I put myself in list and then open list of groups/players looking for preferred class setups. The I chat with leaders/solo players if they are in spec Iâd like to find (primarily healers) as a tank.
I have played on WotLK pservers, yes. And yes, sometimes you did get kicked from groups for being undergeared. But Iâve never seen, say, an elemental shaman getting kicked from a group just because thereâs another elemental shaman in a group. Whereas Iâve seen plenty of TBC groups that donât want a druid or warlock because they already got one in a group - even if, again, theyâre all in it only for the badges. Iâve seen people starting Ramp hc groups asking ONLY for Ranged DPS. And so on and so forth.
The Retail tool would make this situation even worse because not only they can still make their own group, but now the tool provides them with all sort of info to make even pickier decisions about their comps. RDF, on the other hand, would completely neuter them unless they end up in a group with at least two other ppl who feel the same as they do. Which isnât as likely as you seem to think, when it comes to optimized comps and such.
And if you think this matters for dungeons (besides stuff like MGT hc in TBC), youâre part of the problem and even more of a reason why we need LFD.
Mage is not my main and hasnât been my main since Classic. Nor am I sure of what this has to do with the topic at hand. If anything, LFD would make it easier for people from classes perceived as âless wantedâ to get into a group.
I already am in a guild, thank you very much. But this doesnât mean that I want to have to rely on my guild for everything PvE related, including dungeons. Guilds, to me, exist mainly for raids, not for dungeons. Dungeons are just a side activity to raids, the same way BGs are a side activity to arenas. Or should we remove auto-queue from BGs too because itâs anti-social?
Also, what âClassic wow is meant to beâ is meaningless. There is Classic WoW, TBC Classic WoW, and WotLK Classic WoW. If people donât wanna play with LFD, they could just stay in Classic Era. Or shouldâve allowed to stay on TBC Era, really. This philosophy of trying to divide people into âClassic playersâ (which, in the mind of devs and many others, seem to really mean Vanilla more than Classic) and âRetail playersâ, as if nothing else exists in-between, is stupid and only going to make people more unhappy in the long run. At least until devs hopefully realize their mistake.
Thereâs almost never anybody on those lists, and for a good reason. And well, ofc as a tank you donât have issues, my main is a tank too and I can fire groups anytime I wish. Well, if I needed them at all, that is. Itâs the other roles that are more in trouble.
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I stopped reading once you said âi am in a guildâŚdont want to rely on my guild for everything pve relatedâŚâ No point in trying to convince someone that guilds were intended to be worked with to achieve goals. You canât be convinced nor swayed in your argument. Have a great day and good luck in wow <3
So are you convinced that, unless enough other guildies are logged into the game, I shouldnât even be able to do anything in the game? Like, really?
By this logic, why not making even quests group-only? Why not making every enemy elite, so that you always need to ask your guildies if you need to kill any mob in the world?
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so you are in a guild that does not have 4 players capable of running dungeons with you? find a new guild seems like an easy solution to me. You seem to just complain about stuff that is in your control (being in a guild for example) rather than taking actions to help you progress further in the game (join another guild). Either use the lfg addon that filters lfg for you to find groups or use lfd tool in game. Problem solved. Have a great day <3
Iâm not in a guild where I can assume or expect that there will always be 4 people logged any time I would want them to, and I donât want the game to require me to. I like to play raids with my guildies, and to have them around on Discord to chat with them etc., but I donât want to have to rely on them every single time I log into the game to do something.
⌠and I donât want to be in a guild where the other guildies expect me to be on all day long for any sort of activity, nor do I want the game to force that onto me. I definitely want to experience certain parts of the game with others, and especially my guildies, but thereâre also parts of the game that I want to be able to do on my own. Which is why, for example, I believe itâs a good thing we had way less group quests in TBC (and WotLK) than in Vanilla.
so you play an mmo as a solo player game? why not make a heroic dungeon group with your guildies to run a couple days a week? Seriously, you are saying that you canât find/join groups but are not willing to organize them; you literally are saying you just want to log into game get insta dungeon queue and be done. retail has that already, and it plays as a solo game much more than classic. maybe these old xpacs are not for you since they were built (by original devs) around having a community and working as a team to achieve goals.
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Can you read?
Also have you ever read what the actual original devs, like Rob Pardo, had to say about LFD back in WotLK? That they wanted to have it in since Vanilla? Like, whatâs with this attitude about rewriting things that have been to suit your own emotional needs?
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in that same article, he also says why they did not do thatâŚas you can see from retail, did that really help people enjoy the game or did it promote a culture of entitlement/instant gratification? i wonderâŚ
What he actually says is:
"To be completely honest, [the Looking For Group tool] is a feature I wanted in the game when we launched the game. I was really unhappy when we didnât have it when we first shipped, so itâs been 5 years coming. Maybe it wasnât the number one thing I wanted in, but itâs definitely one of the top 5 things that I wanted in the game. Itâs actually our third try at a proper LFG tool, and this one gets it right. With the Meeting Stones, we didnât put enough attention into it, we just tried to jam it in, and people didnât use it. The second tool, it ended up being compromised feature â we tried to cater to too many different audiences.
As for the community question, I used to ⌠I think that 5 years ago, I would have answered this question differently than I would today. I was all about preserving the small realm communities, but already⌠Well, look at Battlegrounds, itâs a good case in point, because it doesnât diminish social relationships that matter on a realm. Sure, everyone can bring up âthat one guyâ that they know, the ninja looter who stole his stuff. But I think your real community isnât the whole realm, but itâs your guild and the friends you group with, and the cross-server LFG wonât undermine that at all. The Dungeon Finder â by the way, I think we just renamed it the Dungeon Finder last night â We designed it in such a way that it serves the need for guilds and groups and friends. You donât have to always [join a Pick-Up Group]. If there are four guildies in a group who just need a fifth, they can do that. You can also use it if even you have a full five-person party.
Or, you can do it if youâre on your own and just want to run something, so I donât think it diminishes it at all"
Where do you read any mention about a âculture of entitlement/instant gratificationâ, in what Pardo says? Because I sure donât see it.
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did it work in retail? sure seems like it started the whole entitlement/instant need for gratification mindset.
" We designed it in such a way that it serves the need for guilds and groups and friends. You donât have to always [join a Pick-Up Group]. If there are four guildies in a group who just need a fifth, they can do that. You can also use it if even you have a full five-person party." seems to me he has the same mentality as i doâŚthat tool was meant to help fill groups, not content block them via gear score.
Retail changed way more than just LFD. If you think that playing WotLK with LFD is exactly the same as playing Retail, and that if you liked one youâd surely like the other, you absolutely have no idea about either.
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Seems like you forgot the last line. You seem to think it does diminish âitâ, but it seems like your beloved original dev disagrees with your assessment.
he added that as an after thought to placate solo playersâŚpoint being?
He added it to explain people that they need not be afraid that LFD will ruin peopleâs ability to form guilds and groups. Because the question that answer was addressing was:
That segues in nicely to this question: Cross-server gameplay. Itâs convenient, but do you think that it runs the risk of destroying server communities?
To which he concisely explained that no, no it does not. Not anymore than Battlegrounds.
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