Why is Havoc DH getting zero complexity in Shadowlands?

Because the simple gameplay was probably one of the biggest factors which appealed to a large portion of the playerbase when chosing dh in the first place. Making the spec more complex all of a sudden would probably risk alienate a lot of players which could also risk subs dropping from confused dh mains and we wouldnt want that now would we.

Other specs are getting spells and abilities back. Dh was never remotly complex in the first place.

Well Outlaw rogue do not change its core rotation by itself, still they have some management with Dice buff to learn to perform better.

Also you wanna tell me, you press all buttons that do damage as they come off CD as an outlaw? Because that’s what DH do, except if they wanna pad and keep something for a super AoE moment.

And ofc rogue have an extra resource to manage.

Dude you can be picky all you like on what I say, but truth is DH Havoc is the most simple spec in the game.

Even the old meme specs (BM/RET) have more complexity in their rotation compared to a DH.

Your argument was about changing the rotation for AoE, not about class complexity. NEXT.

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Again you are just being not so smart on purpose, I hope.

Class complexity can come from different things, as you pointed out both DH and OL don’t change the rotation depending on the situation.

Fine, it was probably my bad to forget that.

Yet if I think about outlaw rogue I can think about:

  • A combo point system, wich you can’t deny add complexity to the class.

  • Different CP spenders, and I doubt you can press all 3 at the same time, means you need to make DECISIONS and making the wrong one will lead you to a dps loss.

  • Knowledge about wich buff you want, even if a simple notion to keep in mind, is still another thing to consider in your game play. Or you wanna tell me you guys press ROTB for fun?

Now what DH need to think about?

  • Don’t overcap resource like everyone else.
  • Use BD (9 sec), EB (30 s), IA (30 s)

Also you see, if every class was like DH I would not mind, I like simple classes because let you focud on gameplay more.

But what’s the reward for playing more complex classes if the most simple one are the top tier?

You mean nelf DH.

Other classes are getting new abilities because Blizzard removed some & players want them back.
Demon Hunters had nothing removed, so have nothing to return.
If Blizzard give them new abilities players would cry that they were becoming OP

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The mechanics were different. DoT classes had to snapshot their refresh not to overlap ticks and not let the DoT fall of.

Pandemic mechanic changed that, you can now refresh when the dot is within the last few seconds and the duration gets added to the new dot uptime.

And that’s just an example.

Hahaha yes as shadow you drop all other spells and cast mindsear and then voidblast. Oh such complexity. Many rotations.

they need to add back things like snapshotting across all classes

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Yeah sure m8.

Aren’t demon hunters supposed to be a simple class? Like they were intentionally designed that way

Havoc is getting immolata aura baseline so that 1 extra button to press.

just saying.

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Tell me more about ferals.

Another day, another DH is too op please nerf too easy post… I shall get my popcorn ready. I havent read every post just yet but im sure we are being called stupid and whatnot as well. Oh best one was all DH players are toxic… Nothing we havent heard already. I wonder when people realise we still are NOT top dps in this game, we can be killed in pvp just learn how. there are OTHER classes with easy rotation (BM hunter) and lets not forget blizzards fav boy toy fire mage. Anyways continue people i shall eat my popcorn and read another bashing topic about us who just enjoy our class.

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The spec was intended to be simple to play and attract new players.

They’ll never beat BM hunter in that regard, but they’re not complex by design, not because Blizzard can’t do it.

I’m pretty sure the topic isn’t to bash DH’s performance.
It’s about their rotation being too simple.

Which is undeniable.

It was his argument, really.
Let me clarify : DH easy, can be played while scrolling 9gag.

Is DH the only class with simple rotation?

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No, I even said myself in the post above that one that they’ll never top BM hunters.

Completely irrelevant though, really.
DH’s have a lot of flavor to them and they’re still fairly new and shiny.

I’d love to get into the spec and try it out but it’s all show and not much to sink your teeth into. No real areas to excel at, which is what I dislike about the spec.
But that’s entirely by design, so I don’t think it will, or should change.

How are people saying that DHs have 3 button rotation when most other specs have 3-4 button rotation aswell?
Fury Warrior: Bloodthirst, Raging blow, Whirlwind and Rampage. 4 buttons.
Shadow Priest: Mind blast, Vampiric touch (not gonna count SWP because it seems like most people use the misery talent which makes Vampiric touch apply SWP), Mind flay or Mind sear, Void erruption and Void bolt, if you even wanna count that as two separate abilities. 4-5 buttons.
Beast Mastery Hunter: Barbed shot, Kill command, Cobra shot and Multi-shot. 4 buttons.
Destruction warlock: Incinerate, Immolate, Conflagrate, Chaos bolt and Rain of fire if aoe. again 4-5 buttons.

You might be thinking I’m missing alot of abilities like Summon infernal or Bestial wrath but that’s because they are CDs and when people are talking about DHs nobody is taking CDs into consideration so I won’t either.

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