Imagine playing a class with the worst mobility in the game, with no real defensives with short cooldowns. The only way you can be viable in arena games is high burst. And, any decent player can avoid it since you don’t have mobility. Yet, Blizzard buffs your damage instead of giving you a real defensive, specially against casters, or some mobility, just to nerf your class 2 weeks later.
If your class has the worst mobility it should have the best defensives. People complain about healing but how can you when you are stunned? This is the main problem of ret paladins. Ret paladin is so exposed to stuns. What are you going to do when most of the other classes have more cc than you and they constantly spam it on your healer and you? You wanna use Protection? Half of the classes in the game can remove it right now! You bubble? That’s fine, but good luck with the next 5 mins while a rogue can do the same thing with 2 min cooldowns. And hey, rogue can cc your healer and you, reduce healing effects on you and can kite you or catch your ranged party member easily.
Ret paladins have no mortal wounds, no mobility and no real defensive when they are targeted. And the thing is balance team probably know it yet they do not act. They just listen to the people who don’t even try to kite or lose 1v1s against ret paladins.
I’m asking you, how many ret paladins do you remember in Blizzcon arena tournaments? Why does no one talk about it? This class is absolute garbage against any decent players.
Stop trying to buff and nerf the damage and solve the real problem. Balance team can see an unbalanced situation for Shamans pre level 37, but they cannot see the fact that some classes are op for years, being played in all ranks, and some of them absolute garbage? There are dps specs literally worse than tanks in arena but balance team is getting paid…
Ret did not get nerfed in today’s set of patch notes, right? I presume you are referring to the previous nerfs that went live about 1 week ago, then.
Honestly, from my perspective, the nerfs to Final Reckoning and Execution Sentence were completely justified. What disappointed me was the lack of corresponding buffs. Crusader Strike is still hitting for less than my auto-attacks, and it’s supposed to be an ability of a “heavy hitter” class.
You are right about Ret almost never sitting on S/S+ tier. When it is, it gets nerfed instantly. However, it is still a viable spec and can work its way pretty high regardless. I know it can get frustrating at times, but this is how Ret is probably going to stay (design-wise). So I’m afraid the best thing you can do is to adapt to this “conceptual plan” that Blizzard has for the spec.
I agree, ret needs like a 80-90% selfhealing reduction and lose all abilities that can kill you in 1 hit.
Ridiculous god spec
Giga yikes.
I think they should embrace an aspect of ret paladin. Is it a support melee or a heavy juggernaut? Don’t think we’ll ever see a balanced ret pala until we get to the point where we take something away in favor of better defensives.
I think this here is the biggest problem. Blizzard seems way too indecisive themselves about this.
Burst should be toned down for sure. I’d just love to see some more pressure outside of it.
If Blizzard decides to turn us into juggernauts, I don’t mind our mobility being weak, tbh.
Paladin is just riding the hybrid train of being hit for absurd numbers by stuff you can’t really play around, so whats new. 
They made design changes for a rogue and hunter spec and changing DKs constantly. Why can’t they do the same with rets?
One of the youtubers, Savix, said that it took less time and effort to hit glad range with rogue than ret even though he was inexperienced with rogue. This is a horrible design when you think about it.
I think people stopped playing ret paladins in pvp and there are not many who complain about the class design. I assume that is why they don’t change it for good. They are “ghosting” like they did with enhancement shaman I guess.
I didn’t say that Rets cannot (or should not) get design changes. On the contrary, I might be kinda up for it. At the moment it feels like we are some sort of support-juggernaut hybrid - which is pretty awkward.
I don’t think anybody who has spent some meaningful time playing Ret would need to watch a Savix video in order to reach to that conclusion. Ret is lacking as a spec.
I actually think that, though Ret players aren’t many, there are quite a few. Mystic, Cara, Destiny, McWeedy, Crueh, Cripxoo, Divineovic, Fakepikachu, Syiana, etc. And probably some more which I forgot to mention. Ret can work to both Glad and R1 range. The problem lies in finding 2 other people, both with the same goals as you, and who are both willing to accept playing a non meta/fotm comp. This is probably why you don’t see many.
I am not going to deny that when things settle down Ret is weak to mid tier, but it can still work regardless.
Burst definitely needs some, yes.
What they need more than direct nerfs is probably some new round of number-tweaking, or heavy changes to their design.
Dude if they just put blessing of gcd nerfed burst a bit it would be great
Blessing spells are already on the GCD. Nerfs to the burst are definitely needed, but if Blizzard does just that without taking any further action, then Ret will drop back to lowest viable tier - which is not exactly “great”.
if we lose our burst they needs to heavilly buff our surstain dps else we can only tickle other players.
Are u crying about defensive abilitities when you have bubble (most op defensive in the game), bop etc … what a joke
Imagine thinking Paladin of all classes has no real defensives. Lol’d
BoP can be purged from most classes in the game, and at higher/significant ratings (which I can tell you’ve never been to, most likely) it literally gets instantly purged/spellstolen to the point of it being 100x more useful as an extra “healer trinket”.
Bubble has a cooldown of 5 minutes baseline. The PvP meta has relied on trading between offensive and defensive cooldowns since WoD, when the game became much more scripted, making it a good cooldown, on a really big cd. Outside of Bubble, Ret has no real defensives (% damage reduction ones) aside from Eye for an Eye. Shield of Vengeance is currently breaking in 1 GCD, and it struggled to even last 2 seconds even during the “tanky BfA metas”.
Imagine QQing about defensives as a Rogue. Full pepega mode.
You’re the only one crying for his mama as far as I can see, lol. Git gud
Can you please quote me where I’ve been crying? 
I’m waiting!
Hey Maltoshi, who knows? Perhaps one day I shall be as good as you, and score the living hell out of that 96 highest rating achieved in 2v2! 
Thanks!
gg learned a lot
Play’s the flavor of the month kills people in a single cheap shot feels like a classic andy to me
Nerf Ret dmg . Thats ok
Buff ret mobility! Or it will not be good again after they nerf dmg from ret hes nothing more then a dmg bot again running 72781992 km to reach his target once.