How Is that truth? After seeing disaster such as tbc/wrath cataclysm is a huge improvement. Also firelands are rly good tier.
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Balance and Retri have almost the same median score based on logs. The outlier is elemental. However, a healer switching to dps does not necessarily mean good performance. Holy Paladins on the other hand have a median that is 11 points higher then the other healers. Thatâs twice as much as the difference between the median of ele and balance/retri.
Bad players are not swapping to less healers, good players are the ones pushing 3-4-5 healers where we normally had 4-5-6.
You are being so incredibly dishonest is genuinly hard to understand, what you achieve to say with this, cause no one will listen to your selectively created opinions. Median is irrelevant in a case of good players, you are looking at the median of all the players who still havent cleared most of the raid, the people, who are cutting healers are the ones, who consistently clear the raid every week, sometimes minimum 2 times a week.
average dps is as follows on a lot of fights:
Elemental 31k
ret 28.9k
Shadow 28k
Boomkin 26.7k
And this doesnt really change with percentile, ele is consistently 5k dps ahead of boomkin for the majority of the playerbase. Ret as i already explained needs to gather a whole additional set of gear to even consider swapping first and will generally be starved for plate STR loot, so even if that one is only 2-3k, behind reality is, that for holy palas they are prob over 5k behind of a resto shaman going elemental.
You have nothing to use medians for in a debate about spec viability and flexibility, medians are also affected by how easily a class can die or self sustain alongside how hard it is to do its utmost dps. Not to mention that the median is heavily skewed by how FLEXIBLE a class is, tons of people swap specs as druids, priest and shamans, but paladins very rarely do, as their specs never synergize. So they nearly always main and play only 1 of them.
Either way you clearly aren´t in a top performing guild, so why are you speaking as if you were and drawing conclusions as to why top performing guilds are swapping x healers off ?
We see from the stats that the least played healer (Disc Priest) still has 28.9k parses vs holy palas 40.7k in normals and resto druids 41.6k vs holy pala 78.1k in heroics. Even the weakest healer has over 50% of the playrate of the best healer. Meanwhile the best dps (mage) has over 3 times the playrate of the best spec of druid (boomkin). Which is not even accounting for the fact, that we swap and decrease healer amount over the duration of a raid tier, where holy paladins always has had a harder time swapping to a dps OS than the rest do.
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When did I say this? I said you assumption that a healer would perform as well as a full time dps is wrong.
You seem to be reading my opinion. So itâs not nobody.
Median is a very important metric when judging the output of a class.
And yes, when I talked about cutting down healers, I am talking about people who have the tier on farm. Thatâs self-explanatory. This is not some controversial point.
Please inform wow logs that their statistics are useless.
I have cleared 13/13hc with my guild on two alts. We clear in a night for each run. Starting a third group this weekend.
Disc Priest is the least played healer? No, itâs the Holy Priest. Youâre not reading the numbers correctly.
Cause you´re ignoring the fact that in an environment of the best kinds of players every little bit of optimization matters. If they can have their sham, druids and priest swap to dps with better dps gear and damage than their paladin, while their paladin was already a bit stronger healing wise and the most optimal mass aoe healer, that is the best overall option. Especially with Shamans whose dps is massively a head of paladin, not even including the gear that will boost it further.
I am forced to cause you quote me, there is a difference in that interaction, one day you will learn it i guess.
It is not a important metric, when the general census that we are looking at is high tier players swapping to less healers. High tier players dont perform at the median ever.
Do you even understand how few people actually have the tier on consistent farm in a single raid night ? Like you keep bringing up points, without doing a shred of due dilligence to check whether or not it makes any sense to your conclusionsâŚ
Strawman argument, learn to debate.
Yeah sure you do buddy, it is evident that is the fatest lie of the century considering how dumb your points have been and your inability to understand even remotely high level play and tactics. You also clearly hide behind a scrub character so yeah, easy to tell you are just making stuff up to act like your opinions hold weight.
Are you actually alright in the head ? Disc priest is the best performing spec of a priest, what holy priest looks like is irrelevant, they can play disc and disc is doing fine.
This is a waste of time, a nobody acting like he is somebody is an embarassment lol.
play warlock never be out job lol
Still ignoring the assumption a healer would perform as well as a full time dps which is wrong.
You could choose not to reply.
Yes it is an important metric for class balance which is what the discussion was.
The evidence was provided.
Youâre arguing in bad faith over whether reducing the number of healers is dropping classes or not.
You make this point but youâre hiding behind a character that has no logs.
Your mistake regarding the numbers for Disc and Holy Priests was simply pointed out.
At this point it is clear that youâre going for ad hominem. This discussion is over.
You sent the point of this topic to a trash. The creator was referring to the bugs that are not being fixed even tho we pay subs to play this game and there are private servers for free with the same bugs already fixed.
Yet, you cluster the class balance which did not change from OG Cataclysm and should not change as it is the point of the Cataclysm classic.
However, from my point of view as a person who plays all healer classes. I have never had an issue joining to raid as a resto dudu, resto sham, disco , holy priest or holy pala. All healers are on the same level, except the holy paladin, because we play on 4.4.0 patch class balance and their AOE heal Holy Radiance does not have a CD as it should have on the OG Phase 1. Means, It will be even more balanced in further Phases, but still, you can clear easily this content with every class and even overperform holy paladin with f.e. resto shaman if you are good enough.
The only thing is that some classes require more skill than others to perform really well and it is hard to play for the majority of player base⌠And some classes can come to the raid , press 4 buttons and perform really good, but it does not mean that class balance is bad
This is the comment made:
Healers Balance: Holy Paladins still outclass in HPS in almost all scenarios. Disc Priests can stack DA too high. Raids are already dropping shamans, holy priests and druids. This is not balanced.
This is not far from what you posted. You might not think it is a problem. But others do. End of story.
Mabe te answer is they do not have any respect for their costumerss anymore ?
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Legion is where it went mad poop.
Even WoD had better class gameplay, mostly.
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Game is great iâm having a lot of fun.
Waiting for MoP as we speaking!
If you think game is trash just leave and let people that are actually enjoying cata classic enjoy it before it ends
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Update from Ironforge. The raider/pvp population has dropped to 114915 from 121973 since last week. 4 more weeks before Firelands. Will it drop below 100k?
Pyrewood Village is passed from 10k-12k in WoTLK to under 4k right now. I mean, is a bit pointless look drop becasue will be worse anytime. Weâll see some high number again the first 3 week of Firelands and then again drop. The tedency will not change so much.
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So WOTLK is a master race?
That also assumes that people parse.
At the same time, people are logging on multiple alts. This is the total number of toons that logged raids. Then again we can see servers like Gehennas and Firemaw having medium population rather than high.
We need to merge all ally servers to one, and all horde servers to one. Or make cross-realm as on retail. Blizzard is capable of solving the population issue, but they deliberately do not want to do so.
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Cataclysm is on maintenance mode so this is unlikely.
Man questing in wow is usually so cringe 
Animations, quests etc⌠holy moly. After playing good singleplayer rpgs, you canât just not to laugh