LFG will always be toxic and there is no way that weaker and offmeta specs would ever enjoy it. Why? Because it’s human nature. You don’t believe me then listen. Imagine you are back to school again and you have sports lesson. Your teacher told you that you play football today and picked two random guys to choose squads. Same guys will always be picked early and same guys will always be picked last. LFG makes catching up and gearing a new char also harder. Why? Because if you apply for the group there is a chance that someone playing same class with higher ilvl applies. Doesn’t matter that you play best spec in M+. They will take someone with higher ilvl or RIO score. LFG kills the idea of improvement because people who didn’t achieve a lot in it yet have hard time getting into groups. This is a problem for both PvP and PvE. In PvP if you have a new char after 1 month into the season you will have hard time to even find partners to play so you can gear. In PvE I think it’s even worse since people ask for Curve for full raid cleans. You don’t need curve for the first few bosses - they are mechanically easy comapared to these later. Good example was BoD raid from BFA. First boss on Mythic was so easy that people farmed with pugs without issues.
IMO improving and investing in LFG is waste of money as it won’t change people’s nature. They are selfish and want easy runs so they pick meta specs that are easy to execute in content + people who are well geared leaving others waiting for hours in LFG. WoW has 15 years - players need higher difficulty levels with solo queue. For PvE it might be adding 2nd difficulty to LFR. For example current normal. For M+ just make M+ less punishing and solo queue matching players with this new mmr system. In PvP bring back 2v2 and 3v3 skirms with enabled healers and increase conquest points gain from there. It will make people interact more and at least be able to play the game not wait for hours in LFG.
you can always skip all problems and make your own groups.
but be honest - there is 99% chance that you are just another fotm reroller with below average skills hating on fact that others dont want to boost you.
for me lfg works very nicely - it usually take me no longer then 3-5 minutes to find a group that suits my goals on non meta class/spec combo.
how i did it ? i invested X amount of time to time +/- 80 dungeons over past 2 months. and i dont overreach - the amount of like 2k score people who sign up to +18 / +19 is ridiculous - and then those people wonder why they sit forever in que being constantly declined when people there look for +/-2,3k people only .
and you want the same thing with how many hours invested ?
I don’t even play M+. I just shared my view on LFG and why I think it doesn’t work and why people are leaving to FFXIV but thank you. I learned some new things about myself
I only mentioned M+ and Raiding here because I think LFG problem also touches people using them. Btw your response was extremely toxic because you didn’t even read the thing but made a statement I’m fotm reroller. First thing you did you defensively insulted me. That’s exactly my point and what LFG makes with people. You are telling me about time investment etc. That’s what I mentioned. If someone wants to try WoW in the middle of the season two and is a new char then he has no chance to get into any group because he had no chance to invest that time. You exactly confirmed everything I said and there was no better confirmation of what I said above.
he has plenty of chances to either find a guild and do stuff with his guild or make their own groups
instead looking for carry .
its ok to have fun in FF14 - i have plenty of fun there too.
dont blame players for blizzard severly overtuning of content they offer to players. players had to adapt - thus toxic rating and exclusion of weaker players.
if content wasnt so overtuned you wouldnt meet with such rejection.
Again defensive toxic response filled with unnecessary elitism because for example I’m way better PvP player than you so it’s not that I need any carry in your content since I don’t play it. The difference between me and you is that I care for the game and I see it’s in bad state and I want more players to enjoy it since new players hit the wall when they try it and you are filled with your elitism and defensive stance that since you had to do all these chores others should too.
WoW has below 2 mln. subs it should be your goal to get more players to queue with for content but instead you are trying to insist I’m asking for boost. I’m not I’m trying to show overall problem and my perspective is brought from PvP LFG which I think has similarities with M+ and Raid LFGs that I haven’t use since BFA. The problem is that people will always pick someone who plays fotm spec over niche spec and that higher ilvl will always win. It makes then this weird thing where you needs run to gear up and gear to get into runs. Same goes for PvP. You need to cap your character but noone invites you to the group.
Overall there are too many DPS for available groups. And people want to do higher things than they have done before. Groupcreaters in LFG want to have to highest chances for succeeding, so they take experienced players over unexperienced players. Progressing is difficult.
This is not the solution to the problem since it still exists. Because then roles are turning around and the guy who is creating the group picks fotm specs, highest rio and ilvl. Do you see the point? Do you think it’s a healthy system? Or would you otherwise progress slowly improving your freshly added M+ rio by just playing on your alt?
Same things happen in PvP where players who are low CR are asking for 2400 achievments.
I think you exagerate the problem. On lower keys people do not cherry pick only FOTM’s. And people can see your main rio-score too when you apply on an alt.
That’s because of MMR though, if you’re a 2400 player doing your weekly cap and your rating is 1800 because you don’t really queue 2s, but your MMR is 22-2300, you aren’t going to invite 1800~ xp players who are just not going to cut it queuing at that level.
Also idk… PvP has a lot more interplay than PvE content for the most part, it’s significantly more fun to play with people at your level, who also know what’s going on and what they’re doing.
I cba to even post any feedback on these forums anymore. It doesn’t make sense. It’s only bunch of wannabe elitist douchebags who are cucking new players from playing the game. Let all this game die and you to have your “content in your own relaxed pace”.
Dude, I’m talking about some gladiators on a fresh new alts that they play like pleb asking for 2400 achievments. The fact you are glad on Warrior doesn’t make you glad on DK. If someone has 0 cr on DK and asks for 2400 achievment to be played with then he is a clown. If 2400 player cannot carry his pleb teammates to 1600 then he is just bad on this class.
Unnecessary and forced elitism is killing this game. The best part is that top players don’t care about these things. I had a chance to play 2s with Villaye or 3s with Chas who are multiple rank 1 3000+ exp players and they have no problem with playing on low rating on their alts with people who have lower exp.
I mean that’s really just not the case anymore, high PvP experience brings with it a lot of transferable skills, especially swapping from 1 melee spec to another. Your knowledge of the other specs in the game remains the same, your knowledge of how comps work remains the same. The thing you lack is how to apply your new toolkit, but even there you’ll have similarities between other specs.
Unless you’re admitting that he should carry people instead of playing with people who know what’s up?
At the end of the day, what do you actually want to change about the current situation. That’s my question to you.
Well, u dont need to be fotm to do 95% of content there is… You do if u want to race for world firsts or care about top of top rankings.
I mean hey, i play venthyr warlock, and while im not wanted by meta slaves both because of class and covenant, i still do everything i like and care about. And if i will want more, i will switch, but thats a me thing, not game.
No, what I mean is if you are 2400 exped player you can play with less exped players till certain rating and then swap partners. That’s what you can do. That’s what I do. I’m not asking people for achievments unless I’m at certain raiting. Why would I ask someone for 2k achievment if I’m trying to get 1600 on alt to upgrade gear. It doesn’t make sense right?
So your solution is make your own group for every content you create and hope for enough fotm specs to choose from for every group that is created.
The worst part about LFG is that it makes people to fotm reroll in PvP. For example every season one spec is op in 2v2 bracket you play every 2/3 games against it. Right now they are Warriors and BM Hunters. You basically have to deal with it every 2nd-3rd game.
What about time when I have evening shift at work and they have morning one and I want to play when they are offline? So I shouldn’t log in when my crew is offline right?
LFD or an equivalent for PvP stuff would easily fix that; we even have an ingame score now, easy to have grps put together by “MMR”, although even ilvl would be sufficent; queue and go like it aready exists with nhc/hc; work with whatever you get. And don’t tell me again “that won’t work because of bad ppl”; automated queues work well in other and even more competitive games. LFG ist just a tool that wastes your time before you can play.
Sure, but then i also find it hard to see how those players can then complain about there not being anyone to play with (granted, a 400 MMR difference may be too much on the high end). If it only is a 200 MMR/Rating difference then i honestly fail to see how said player should be glossed over in favour of waiting another 30m - 1h in LFG for the “perfect” match.
It does feel like there are players who aren’t willing to take a look at anyone slightly less experienced and then go on to complain about there being no one to queue with. Will it be more work to try and get a less experienced more up to par? Absolutely but it also comes with the opportunity of finding someone they can queue with again in the future instead of waiting for hours on end in LFG.
