Then why do people wipe or even disband on either of the last 3 bosses?
that is what i mean by you holding everyone else to your standards… i can understand it but it isn’t viable to everyone.
You are saying 2 things tho…
Either the raid is hard or it’s not.
I think the raid is hard for chat pugs who don’t have cordination or proper set up (thus why people search for such specific set ups, gears, classes etc)
But you think it’s easy?
You are trying to have it both ways with how you type it.
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it is okay for me to understand simple boss mechanics and still understand there is people who don’t have the time or chances to learn them. of course i have been playing MMO’s for years and if i can do barbariccia without dying then gnomer isn’t gonna be too tough lol
Then i say. Boot em 
an MMORPG is not for them if they can’t put the bare minimum of time into it.
This is not Retail where the bosses have 550 mechanics in just the first 30 sec of the boss fight.
At least require people to put in SOME thought before joining group content.
You have arguments, but LFR is not going to solve it. Seems like you did not used LFR yet, but think it’s cool and solves issues.
Let me tell you in short:
When LFR was relased it was the one of the worst changes they made, period.
It was a easy mod version of the raid with weaker rewards. It is for mostly casuals or gap closer to get some gear to prepare for actual raid.
OK now let’s explain you all that you miss if they make LFR:
-there is no porting to raid, you will get invited to LFR but have to w8 all, there is no actual raid leader who can kick and manage stuff, everyone will do what they want, expect full chaos.
-they have to make gimped version of raid, belive me no LFR group can clear raid, and new loot need too.
-if no personal loot system everyone will need on everything, there is no loot master.
-eventually raid will not make to last boss because those who need early bosses loot will leave, they are invited by LFR and have nothing to deal with others who are invited, they will not feel guilty.
-you may w8 too long for LFR. Bcause:
If I am good tank why to waste time with LFR when can do it better way, same goes for healer, and meta specs.
Can bring more reasons, but those are enough.
Yes man, community is elitist, filtering, demanding etc, sure. In other hand some classes really do bad, that’s not our fault, developers cannot deal with their product, but we pay for it, that’s another topic.
I am rogue main, have no alts and will not have, that’s my way. I accept that rogue is garbage for raid atm. What can I do, to blame players?! Well it is not their fault.
It is their right to want do stuff most efficient way, that is normal. It is Season of discovery, well tell me how many runes you discovered by yourself? We all looked at wowhead, or similar site. All that is bulls**t.
If I do not like game or community, I will just unsub, and move along, I owe nothing to noone.
I hope you get it now, stop asking for things that you do not understand.
Peace!
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If you are that bad to try or not beeing good enough getting invited to a raid, maybe its a you problem, we dont need LFR for that 
This is the exact attitude I mean.
Why act like you’ve got a chip on your shoulder?
For all I know you could get carried every week.
Because it removes the social aspect and the exploration aspect of the game which is why most people don’t like it.
LFR LFG etc just completely removes interaction with people when finding groups. It’s an MMO it should be encouraging social interaction wherever it can. This is something newer MMOs don’t seem to understand which is why they basically become single player games with other people running around in the background.
Also just teleporting people straight to raids removes the need to explore the game…follow the story etc…when I was playing retail using LFG I literally knew where none of the dungeons were located in the game world…just que for a random dungeon I know nothing about and don’t care about because I had to make no effort to get into it.
It just makes the game less fulfilling and more of a hollow experience.
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you think the way people speak to each other in general is the form of social interaction people want? some would rather not have that if possible as an option. nothing sociable about asking for a cv or having to search out guilds when you only got 4 hours in a day to play and etc, etc, etc the reasons are endless for actually having it just as people can chose not too use it.
For all you know I get carried, sure… Yeah…
https://sod.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/wild-growth/mombless
It wasent so hard finding a guild for me, due to my social skills.
Not inviting players due to standards implemented by the playerbase also creates this problem. On a more toxic level I’d argue.
I addressed this in a earlier post. You could work around this by having a meeting stone as the LFR qué.
So in theroy you’d have to go to the raid, click on the he meeting stone, choose your role and you’ll be put into a que.
Then you have created a way where people can’t mindless sit in a city and press button, they have to actually do some leg work first.
Thank you for that. I needed a good laugh today.
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Totally agree with you! This is what this game needs, it’s not 2004, people have a filter of requirements in their heads for selection, logs in a damn dungeon for 40 levels xD
They don’t even understand why, just everyone does it and they follow it, maybe they want to save their time by killing a boss not in 5 minutes, but in 3.5 conditionally by taking META DPS, but they don’t even realise that they are playing a long game in which they have already lost, if they value their time so much, because waiting for a raid takes an hour and more…
So whos living rent free in whos head?
I mean, you dont have any social skills, when called out beeing wrong, you cant even admit you beeing wrong. Kinda ironic dont you think?
Not my problem
Remember back in phase 1 when you were on my post trying to suggest I was a bad player because I said feral tanks needed a buff to aoe threat? Because I do.
What happend in the end? Oh yeah, the Devs buffed swipe to help with bear aoe threat.
Turns out I was right and you were wrong.
I bet it stings doesn’t it
Remember when you reported my comment becuase I disagree with you and you said range hunters where fine and that you top damage with them so they dident need buffs? Even when others told you you where wrong
Druid dident need the buff per say, but the buff they did to swipe where good, but becuase I can agree “I was wrong” even if my opinion is that druid where fine before the buff to swipe. You wanted them to become as good as paladin in AoE threat if I remember correcly, witch I disagree with becuase druid shouldnt be too good at AoE threat.
The proof where just here aswell that showed you that you where wrong but you stop replaying after that
https://sod.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/2007
You like to throw around accusations. Not my fault that people seem to disagree with you 
Lets go back to this then and see how many disagree with me :) hunters gonna be fine - #17 by Rhomir-firemaw 