Why make an MMO in such a way that the worst thing in it is other people?

WoW dosent have more toxicity. Play LoL or DoTa if you really want to see the worst of humanity.

What WoW has is a lot of snowflakes that are incapable of adulting. Thats what it has.

And those little snowflakes consider anything that remotely disagrees with their vision as “Toxic”. And of course, will absolutely never adapt to other people. “They” are just Toxic people…

I am tired of this binary vision of WoW people have. Where its either “good” or “toxic”.

“Toxic” is the behaviour that would put you in jail if you were to do that in Real Life. That is what it is. You are abusing of that word to name people you disagree with.

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And out of curiosity. What do you suggest to “change the people” who play WoW? Put a GM to watch every single person and make him “Wave and say hi!” to everyone whom he passes by or risk a ban?

I take your so called “WoW selfishness” every day simply cause its natural. People can praise you or critisize you because they mean it…instead of the FFXIV fake smilley faces where everyone are smiles and rainbows…not cause they are genuinely nice but simply cause big daddy FFXIV is watching their every move.

What world do you live in? I mean firstly why are you even bothered if people ‘talk behind your back’ in an MMO lmao??

I’m not suggesting anything, I’m saying the way the game is set up is enfuriating. If you bothered to read my posts instead of getting defensive with this apologist mindset you would see that, but I obviously rattled your cage by saying something negative about your beloved safe space

I also remember a time when any interaction on the internet as a whole was super “Naive”. And then people figured out that there are predators online as well. And plenty of Jerks to go arround… The internet is just a reflexion of society… and society hasent changed since the 2000s.

Like in Vanilla wow. Lots of “considerate” people were ganking and camping low level toons just for fun. It became almost a meme …

I remember those “considerate” scamers stealing gold… and those “considerate” ninja looters…

He has a very severe “nostalgia feever” where “everything was great in the past”. Like my grandpa. It wasent. Jerks existed even on medieval ages. Even in ancient rome people grafitied male genitals on temple walls !!!

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Man I miss ganking noobs at xroads

I miss that too. I also miss the rivers of tears ganking all those raiders going to Molten Core with their hard earned raid buffs…

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My old guild used to farm xroads at least once a day lol. People went so far as to make alts to coke trash talk us on alliance it was hilarious

I am not and I would ask you in what world do you live in if you think that vanilla WoW was all flowers and rainbows and current WoW is all of a sudden doom and gloom toxicity.

So complaining for the sake of complaining? Figured as much I suppose…

Oh this is getting good now :popcorn: :chair: Anything else to add mr. internet psychotherapist? :rofl:

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I even went as far as making my own alliance level 1 to trash talk them… sort of like throwing salt in the wound…

What I also used to do in TBC were to camp the daily quest hub of Isle of Quel’Danas. I would focus on 1 guy and simply not let him quest.

The grief ! The laughs I had with guildies doing that.

Ahhh… the good old days…

The venthir dude… thats me in SL… I got kicked out for being a “sick bastard”… :smiley:

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I was checking out Captain Grims videos… Found this gem !

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We need to make a guild on classic for doing the that stuff again

I am sorry you had such a bad experience but that is no reason to judge the entire playerbase.

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I have become a lame old man now. I wish I had the time to do that.

Plus all the methods of avoiding loosing the world buffs are active in Classic. Its not as fun as it used to be… :frowning:

We can play in Retail if you want though !

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That is also a result of the game design. It fosters a competitive environment. You’re not rewarded for cooperating with strangers like you were in vanilla WoW when many quests were too hard to do alone.

Take, for example, this weekend’s Fishing Derby: one of the fish you need can only be found in those red blood pools, and it is not a guaranteed catch. Last night I spent nearly the full hour trying to get that fish. I emptied the other pools too and yet I only found 8 of the blood pools, I never caught the fish (later on I realized I should have bought a lure).

So given how rare those pools are and that this event happens once a week and you have one hour only, you are strongly incentivized to seize every chance to catch that fish.

The more things have a timer and a limited window of opportunity, the more people will look for efficiency and do whatever it takes to not miss out.

This expansion is actually really bad for multiplayer gameplay.

I noticed lots of niche MMOs have really nice helpful communities, I recently tested a bit of Wurm Online and Lord Of The Rings Online and was pleasently surprise by the friendly communities.

Casuals and greed ruined the game.
There’s your answer.
Not much to say.
People want easy and fast.
Fast and easy isn’t memorable or meant to last; it’s not meant to be special.

I have been farming 1 delve for a mog I want.

And as solo as it can get.

But meanwhile I was in Discord with 40 people…

The only difference with Vanilla wow is that back then voice chats were not a thing. You had to type everything out !

Its still as social as it was. Its just different today. Much more unforgiving for those that cant make proper friends and rely on strangers…

Then I did a world quest with some Elites that were carving me a new one. A mage showed up and like proper “bros” we looked at eachother, then nodded and did the quest toguether with out saying a word. But coordinated with eachother nonetheless.

Still “social” if you ask me.

SWTOR is a nice and helpful community cuz only old players like Star Wars and play its MMO. Mostly adult players in SWTOR. In WoW… only kids and adult brainless ***ards who love dragons and wings.

It’s not even only niche games. Back in the hayday of Black Desert Online when it was super popular the community was really darn decent and that game back then was centered around PVP -everywhere-. Sure bad apples were there, too! (Because of course) but the majority of the community was nothing but social and helpful to the point where people would go out of their way to smack down a troll or griefer; literally so, so the victim could have fun in the game again. I loved the PvE side of it, sucked at the PvP side and it was still fun. WoW is not centered around open world pvp yet somehow the community is so entirely different in the worst possible way. Just a personal anecdote!