Hey, So obviously mop Is dead just few weeks after release. Why So? Is it cuz of terrible pvp balance, Slow phase of game, weird class design (everyone has combo point required to press Basic abilities that were available in past all the time, example: psychic horror), extremely Slow And Boring leveling/gearing?Maybe Its the whole cringe panda theme aswell? What do u think Is main Reason for such failure?
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not really failing, problem is that warrior is way more overtuned than already expected combined with players bad behaviour.
The balance itself isn’t bad, this xpac definetly has the most variety of viable combs BUT the players are the problem by only taking the best of best exclusively. S tier speccs arent even an option for them when there are s+ speccs.
Every class has atleast one top performing specc some have more than one that are atleast good or really good.
Rdruid and arms may be overperforming but in some sence that would be easy fixable. Change symbiosis abilities to match or tune its strength down. Beeing different based on your druid specc. Like rdruid doesnt get block from it but maybe evocation.
Make warrior deep wounds tuned down and then it will be way more close up
Y idk man. So many Ppl were praising mop, saying Its best pvp xpac. After trying IT, holy moly xD golden retail
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Problem is that MoP is more retail then classic. Blizzard should focus on classic+ instead of this.
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This may come as a surprise to you, but rated PvP has always been a niche in WoW. The overwhelming majority of players in every expansion, have always been doing nothing but PvE with maybe the occasional random BGs here and there.
So the PvP in MoP is by far the greatest PvP expansion, in terms of class designs. It was just never part of the equation why any expansion “failed”.
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MoP is doing ok
PvP is niche
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Keep in mind, back in MoP the Classes didn’t have there Last Patch Talents and Scalings like we have right now.
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To me i stopped playing after getting full pvp gear+enchants and doing no dmg. Combined with ENDLESS CC Spam, feels like every ability is a CC. Just a complete garbage experience going into a bg.
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trolls out trying their best i see, grab a few reactions while you can
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Hardly dead. People are just tictoc zoomlets with 0 attention span, so naturally those left. The world is nice and alive, BG qs are the fastest ive ever experienced in WoW, dungeon qs are fast, I can find raids as horde on a 90% alliance pleblord server
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The problem is very simple. MoP got the reputation of “the best pvp exp”. Its not and not even close (and never was). Warrior is a joke and because they make baseline resiliencen a thing all oneshot gimmick is gone, so as the “special comps” and its boring and one dimension AF.
So PvP is dead, specialy if you play horde.
BTW if u play horde u got 2 option to get PvP gear.
1st - spam WG every 3 hour
2nd - go RBG WIN/AFK
There is no point of doing normal bg-s or anything else. Every1 is in PvE gear in horde side, so there is no way you wil win more than 10% of the normal BG-s.
The PvE side isnt better. You can literaly be around 475ilvl under 2 days just spamming some Celestials. There is no point of doing Normal Raid, especially 10m and not every1 one to go straight to HC anyway.
There is literaly nothing do do, im geting the WoD vibes already…
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Classic is doing fine .also take kokain in moderation .it is not good for your health .
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Mentioning addictive substance instead of actual reply with explanation how exactly Is classic doing fine (with numbers And general players feedback showing otherwise) tells alot about person. I Guess such players Will just Cope Forever that mop Is best xpac Ye xD glad Someone enjoys it ofc
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To answer your question at the end: I think the failure is, that it brings up behavior like yours. PvP Balance was always all over the place. In Classic it was rogues, in TBC it was retpaladins, in WotLK it was DK. Slow phase of game? It’s way faster than the retailversion of mop. Classdesign was also more or less the same. Slow and boring leveling? It’s always slow (since the launch 2004) and only boring if you don’t want to engage the story of the game. Gearing is way faster than the retail version of mop. And your take with “cringe panda theme” is as old as the game itself. When mop released the whining was deafening because of the pandaren (who were in the wow lore before the draenai). Funny that mop is seen as one of the best expansions ever by most of the community. So yeah mop is not dead and if you hate it so much (because of the cringe panda theme (lol)) just play another game. Play retail. Play classic anniversary or SoD.
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I never said I hate mop man. I was just wondering what is main reason it died so early. Ofc u can argue that its not dead, but as I said previously, look how many still play it xD But i see ur main lvl 90 pandaren so I guess u one of few ppl that will play it regardless how dead it is n cope its fine xD
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That’s true. You never said you hate it i give you that. And how many are playing it? i don’t know. But i know it’s still summer in the northern hemisphere so i guess a few are enjoying their holyday. Maybe it is because there is a new phase and raid in retail an a few players tend to play retail and mop classic. Or another game released and players play that game instead. And the queue time for the dungeon finder or the bg are also very low. So i can not say from my point of view, that the game is dead. And yeah words like “obviously mop is dead”, “terrible pvp balance”, “boring leveling”, “cringe panda theme” and “such failure” let me think, that you hate mop classic. And the best of all is: you didn’t mention a thing to make it better (for you).
Oh i can tell u how i would make the game 100 times better in like 5 minutes. Sadly blizz wont do these changes ever. Balance PVP, specificaly nerf warrior - insta better pvp. Make leveling/gearing way faster, esp for alts, add soloq, make patch fit the season like in past…not last xpac patch in 1st season as numbers and gear is way off cuz of it. Idk, i feel like then the game would be way better or?
Why would you want them to make it worse for the players?
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Okay you say you can make the game 100 times better in like 5 minutes. Let’s say blizzard would apply your changes.
You say Balance PVP, specificaly nerf warrior - insta better pvp. What would you nerf? And don’t forget they have to be playable in PvE.
You say make leveling/gearing way faster. How would you handle a faster leveling? I mean you can pay blizzard and you have an lvl85 character, which is faster. but i guess you don’t want that. They could implement more bonus xp gear for slots thats never got xp gear. But i hope there is no whining after, that you can’t finish your level up experience with the faster leveling. And what is it with the faster gearing? you have the celestial dungeons that reward LFR gear and you can spam them. But if you have an idea to make that even faster: go for it and tell us.
You say make patch fit the season like in the past. I don’t know what you want to tell me with that. But i’m curious what you want to tell with that.
But i don’t know if the game would be way better with those changes. But i fear that you have a different opinion about “what is a good game” than me.
Uhhh. there Is season1 of mop rn, but numbers, talents changes etc Are from last patch, not thé First one. Which leads to weird balancing regarding dmg/healing of some classes due to having Acces ONLY to 1st season gear. Known issue fór all classic idk. U dont know how id make Faster leveling/gearing? Dud xD nice troll. U kill mob, u get 3 Times amount of XP?? Does that require me to go THIS deep fór u man wtf. Have u ever imagined anything in Ur life And added 1+1 without Someone telling u or xDD