Because it tries to accommodate both the clueless and those who have a better understanding but do not want to put up with pug groups.
content that tries to please a broad audience often fails to be good for any of them
I think MoP Garalon, Durumu and Lei Shen were perfect and best bosses we have ever had in lfr.
Mechanics were easy enough but still quite difficult for average LFR person i know i had crap ton of fun doing those bosses.
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Because it makes apparent that peoples achievements aren’t that difficult to achieve.
But curves are only in heroic obtainable 
Not that i care in any way about achievements (or pets/mounts 
), so i am not aware of what achievements you talk about. But still.
That’s exactly why I said it’s out of touch with the game. Its purpose is to be easy, but on the same time, they can’t butcher some mechanics because it would render the fight way too different than intended.
They did that with Agrammar and the tank failed in LFR because agrammar’s mechanics regarding soaking and the way adds worked were way too different than what that guy was used to in Heroic version of the fight.
I think I actually saw that happening too
LFR lacks identity. It’s a raid but not really. It’s a story mode but not really. In Legion it at least gave AP, way to do the mission table kill quest easily plus chances for legendaries and xforges - bribes. In BfA the role of LFR diminished, especially for nyalotha in terms of gearing.
They may start doing something with this and 4 raid difficulties, but it wont be easy with backlash they will receive either way.
LFR currently is desert island, queues way too long, many of minority is not something we should consider in game design/game features.
these players who would not raid because too lazy then they don’t deserve to play the game!! good riddance! blast we need is to spoon feed a guy who does not want to look at Group finder.
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LFR is great addition to game,just need to be nerfed a bit current iteration is way to difficult.
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If you are not finishing heroic in week 1 you are not curved and not welcome in normal raids in LFD. Not blaming group leaders here. They can ask what they want.
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I can easily boot a group finder and make my group for full clear. It takes time, but far less than 4 lfr wings queue times.
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The longest time i have been in LFR this tier was maybe 2 hours, first week of nzoth. I had like 5 to 10 minute queues tops 
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Reasons why I dont do LFR’s anymore:
- Toxicity has increased from WoD. That said. It was also toxic in MoP (I never really played cata). But the raid usually booted the toxic elements at that time.
- Gearwise there is no need to do LFR unless there is a hilarious BiS trinket or so. Or a mount if you’re a mount collector. LFR Gear was a fine upgrade in MoP. From WoD you have been able to farm better gear outside LFR’s.
People play the game the way they want to they don’t need your confirmation to “deserve” to play.
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Not quite, but it certainly has some problems.
- Sense of world is undermined by the fact that the problem are just endlessly perpetual for some unknown reason. In some cases the perpetual nature makes sense, but in other cases you can’t help but wonder just how many times the Vale will be invaded by the Black Empire.
A lot of the time objectives appear on the map and you get told about having to solve them with literal telepathy or something. How do you know there’s an objective? I don’t know. How does the quest giver know you’ve completed it? I don’t know. - Daily quests are easier with others, but in many cases multiple players can tag the same enemy, leading to you not really wanting to join up with people. That’s unfortunate. Furthermore, CRZ and the speedy zoom-about nature means you don’t get to see people whose guild you could join or whom you could trade with.
- Daily quests can overstay their welcome to the point where they become trivially easy. That’s no fun. Have more layers of difficulty and/or gear requirements for some progression!
Shadowlands is doing a lot of work here though. But yeah, BfA is a ****show on this front.
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The hate for LFR is becouse it was mandatory for a quite when it first introduced.
In DS becouse tank tier sets where so strong that it was mandatory to have that 4set even if LFR DS was worse than HC Firelands.
In Mop was mandatory till ToT becouse you an extra chance to loot quest items for the leggendary chai, when instead normal and heroic shared the same chances of drop.
And that’s the reason why there Is so hatred. Becouse every raider if he wanted to remain on par he had to also run LFR and playing with people with he is not used to play, and dealing with people with lower skill than you.
Thats why many players don’t like it, and I have to be honest wod LFR was the best version of it having a totaly different loot table for the other 3 difficulties
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Fine I will be generous. They deserve to go to goldshire and herb gathering, but not see raids.
This is how the game is designed before GC corruption.
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In the case of Warlocks they make perfect sense. You’re not breaking the sense of world there because the world, not a UI panel, explains to you how it happens.
As for summoning stones themselves? Yeah, that makes no sense. They weren’t in the game originally as well.
Yeah, PuG’s are annoying. And LFR is a PuG, too.
I’d say “try to find some friends to raid with”, but of course that’s made much more difficult now because of LFR.
I am not sure why people keep starting these topics. They seem to be almost weekly now.
LFR and LFD have been amazing for the playerbase. You don’t have to waste your time spamming the same line over and over in a channel trying to find others. You don’t have to jump through any hoops to satisfy other players ridiculous expectations.
LFR and LFD are open to everyone. They generally have some minimal ilvl requirement to be able to sign up and that’s it. No requirements for ‘curve’ to do a normal raid, no high ilvl requirements that is higher than the drops from the content.
I started playing in TBC and I didn’t get to do dungeons while levelling. People were rude, horrible and elitist. So I only got to see them when I out levelled them and could go back and solo them.
When I tried Classic it was the most horrendous experience forming groups, it could take up to an hour of spamming channels to get the group formed, then you’d all have to travel to the dungeon which could take up to another 20 mins to get everyone assembled. Then you’d have to run the place, dying was very punishing with the run back from the graveyard and people would also get lost, trash would respawn etc. It was fun to go and see Classic but it really showed me how much Retail has grown and how many quality of life improvements we’ve had.
Most of the storylines in WoW culiminate or have some kind of involvement in the raids. It is great that we have this system where anyone can go and see them. The easy mode raid version for all. For those who want something more challenging there is Normal, Heroic or Mythic. There is no requirement to do LFR if you don’t want to.
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Because turboego heroic raiders are upset that other people aren’t forced to interact with them anymore.
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