Why people hate LFR?

The what now?

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Because it utterly fails to live up to WoW’s core design pillars.

They are, in short:

  1. Sense of world
    You get teleported a lot and you don’t feel any physical presence
    You get to see things that you aren’t ready for, diminishing the sense of mystery and the desire to explore and conquer content (not difficulties! Content!)
  2. Community
    You don’t need to know anyone
    You may miss out on WoW’s community, which is otherwise built by people pursuing the same goal and finding each other organically.
  3. Fun combat
    There isn’t a whole lot to it, but it’s still easy to get frustrated with other players, and when you’re in a group of total failure, leaving gets you punished, and you can’t remove anyone.

It’s just an inferior experience - and I really don’t think it’s better than nothing.

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I agree with the previous expansion missing stuff on LFR. I started raiding this tier again. I do think LFR this tier was pretty on point and very good into learning almost all mechanics for next difficulties. I indeed will not say anything about other tiers.

KJ was by the way a total LFR killer with the armageddon soaking mechanic :slight_smile:

Yes, KJ was, but KJ also worked completely differently from the normal version. You had like 3 or 4 times the soak amounts you had to do at the start (because if I recall it right the knockback orb mechanic wasn’t in play in LFR.)

It is inconsistent, just like the concept of LFR is. In one tier it feels like Blizzard wants you to experience the story, so there are little or no gimmick mechanics in the encounters. In the other you have gimmicks to wipe the raid down, and almost every boss has one.

That is still the same mechanic, only more often. I have no problem with that :slight_smile: That is still learning you the most important task. I got 15 KJ kills on LFR, i just checked :smile: And leaving somthing out, like the orb-mechanic, does not make the whole fight an ‘afk’-mode ( i know you didnt say that, but others do).

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I think many people believe LFR ruins the raiding community and the social aspect of the game. I don’t believe either is true.

Without the LFR many of the people who do it wouldn’t raid otherwise anyway. Also you can’t force people join guilds and do raids on a schedule, so I don’t believe the social aspect of the game would benefit much from it.

I’ll have to agree that IMO what hurts the social aspect the most is that the game makes people feel like they have a to do list to accomplish just to stay relevant. People feel burnt out and don’t exactly want to sit in the city and chat.

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Its not like I “hate” it, but it definitely has very impactful drawbacks.
The group is ‘fluid’, people come and go agter they got their loot or after another wipe.
It is not uncommon that nobody knows tactics/mechanics, dont paying attention, standing in fire, or ignoring anything except dps’ing the boss - which may lead to severe complications, often resulting in wipefest.
During my time in LFR we killed NZoth less than 6 stacks only once, and the leader was truly amazing literally raidwarning every single step who must do what, considering the fight is fast-paced - imagine how hard it was for leader.
Also, entry ilvl is somewhat low, resulting in lots of low-dps players, which may not be enough. And, they also not trying to deliver everything they can with their class, too lazy to contribute, prolly they think somebody else will do it and they will jsut get the loot.
This is what makes LFR hard.

PS. Please save me this ‘social aspect’ bull crap, with majority or being selfish toxic trolls who f you up and screw you over on every step. Example: I do Uldum daily, task is to kill tumors, tumors surrounded by small packs, I cannot “use” tumor to clean it - must kill ads first, the other guy folows me around - waiting until I aggro the pack, then cleans tumor in front of my face, does this several times literally using me as his b’ch for own advantage. Please dont mention “social aspect”, I got experiece my own.

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I think that’s just people with 0 raiding experience. I don’t know why people are quick to assume others are deliberately not trying to contribute.

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Because there is Details! addos that shows who contribute how much. I dont know why people assume that others assume, while others have hard fact evidence of their point in numerical format.

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That description also fits the dailies a lot outside of the teleportation.
It is not a social event or a fun adventure, just a chore we need to do way too many times

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So maybe person X is doing low dps because he’s bad at the game and doesn’t have a good grasp of his rotation? It doesn’t mean he’s AFK.

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Why would i care about normal/hc/mythic difficulties? I did lfr already i have no interest at all towards higher difficulties doing same bosses with more hp.

Only thing i hate about lfr are the try hard people that come there from higher difficulties to moan and whine about how people in lfr are crap and that i have to wait months to do raids fully in lfr mode because for some reason it has to stay special for “normal” raiders.

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XDDDD

No.

On mythic, very often new mechanics aren’t a cause of wipes, mostly heroic/normal mechanics are the reasons of wipes because on mythic it suddenly can’t be ignored, while people learned to ignore mechanics on lower levels.

So no, it doesn’t prepare for anything.

Man I hate dailies, doing the same thing over and over. At least world quests vary every day. Would probably rather grind a profession or random dungeon than doing most dailies.

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In the meantime it totally prepared me and learned me the fights so i was able to got for normal and then herioc. So Yes it does.

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Yes! I vividly remember people who had real trouble playing their class and became a lot happier when I pointed them out to places like Icy veins and the Hekili addon

1: most people get summoned to raids anyway i really doubt that every single person makes their way to raid every week lord of the rings style experiencing the world.

2: Before LFR all i got from raids was endless gearscore judging e-peen flexing and can i have that i need that give it to me whisper spam.

Combat i get lfr is mostly just patchwork battles over and over and over again.

But to me lfr is great because i can see the content on my on pace without scheduling my free time.

I used to do lot of raiding back in wotlk and i can’t see my self ever again having to do so many hours of raid stuff in one sitting.

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I would gather be grinding timbermaws classic style or Dungeons with tabbards than the dailies we have today

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I don’t like LFR because I feel like it’s out of touch with the game (And I don’t want some sort of incentives for HC/Mythic raiders to go in there like they did in Legion) and deserves a rework.

It’s either too easy or damn too hard, thus does not feel good.

The beauty about old style grind that if i wanted to grind it on one sitting i could just go ham and do it.

Personally i hate new dailies and time gates because lots of times i lose interest in them long before i can complete them and then those reputations haunt me there with all the mounts and other rewards sometimes for years after the expansion is over.

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