And this couldnt be more wrong.
The only real reason I can think of is, some players who can do normal skillwise but don’t have the group will just run LFR without bothering to find a normal group which means less people running the normal raid
Personally I think it’s a waste of time to even enter the queue cause of the rewards tied into it but I don’t hate it nor do I think removing it at this point will change anything about the game, mostly because of how bad (low power) the rewards are people aren’t running it for upgrades (not counting catchup alts) and it’s an excuse for an extra colour scheme on tier gear for moggers so why bother removing it in its current state?
I called your claim that LFR does nothing to contribute to item level bloat wrong.
I know, I specifically said if you played for the last tier it doesn’t impact you as much.
I was saying 60 item levels a tier, not 60 bloat, again finding myself repeating my words to you.
But on revision you are indeed correct, the bloat between LFR of last tier and LFR this tier is 30. Which in fact means there is a 75 item level bloat, not 60, for fresh characters progressing through the entirety of the gear process.
Explain in what that is a wrong statement?
It would help if you read the entire post before responding to me to give yourself time to actually see what I am saying.
I have made lengthy replies to you, for you to turn around and respond with no more than a few sentences solely on one aspect of my opening sentence, for you to later edit / add another reply.
I did read all, but you just call something wrong what is 100% right. LFR is adding 0 ilvl.
You can add a 5th lower, call it basement or storytelling ‘difficulty’ below LFR. On 400 ilvl requirement with 415 loot. And there is no extra ilvl increase at all. You can remove and add whatever amount of difficulties you want but blizzard decided there has to be 30 ilvl difference between mythic tiers. All other difficulties ony have a relative ilvl from that.
LFR can’t be entry level to normal, because first wing LFR opens a week after normal.
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You can repeat this since i havent seen your example of the 60 ilvl math. I can find that number nowhere, how much i try.
That is an exception case that lasts for a few weeks at the start of a tier. The entry to normal at that point in the cycle is to be HC geared from the last tier.
As soon as LFR comes out it supersedes the previous tier.
Unless you’re going to tell me you run Eternal palace HC groups on your fresh 120 characters?
There simply is, I don’t know why you can’t see it.
Look at the points at which the tiers overlap.
Previously it would work where HC tier 1 would be superseded by normal tier 2, HC tier 2 would be superseded by normal tier 3.
That is a stepladder design, one extra increment at a time.
Right now it works like this.
HC tier 1 is superseded by LFR tier 2, HC tier 2 is then superseded by LFR tier 3.
That is no longer a simple +1 increment, that is a jump of 2 difficulties, just to ensure that LFR rewards relevant gear that most participating players will consider an upgrade.
That is why there is no “basement” mode that offers gear that is not an upgrade. The entire point of LFR is to continue the gear progression and to provide power growth.
Do you really not see the power growth between tiers and how bad it is?
There is no reason to respond anymore except you are 100% wrong. I don’t understand why you dont see it. I explained it with ilvl examples and all. and you can not give 1 example where your 60 ilvl comes back.
You are beyond delusional.
You haven’t given examples, I have given examples.
I even went on to alter my “60” to a different number after double checking based on the previous tier and you’re still harping on about 60 item levels. Show how much attention span you have and your lack of cognitive skills.
I think it is time to report and just move on. Have a nice day.
See, I am arguing with someone who reports people on the forums just because they get into a discussion with them.
That is a little childish, eh?
This is your way of discussing.
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Most people who hate lfr, never ever tocuhed one. They feel, that people only do lfr not worthy to even see the raids, or something similar.
I dont think lfg and lfr has to do anything with this. People changed alot in +10 years, they become more introvert, and talk much less to non-familiar people.
Even if you remove the lfg and lfr, people will only say :" lfg x". They wont magically start to speak with others.
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You showed signs of delusion by thinking you had shown examples and I had not.
You also showed signs of low attention span and an inability to critically think and process information.
I am sorry that you don’t like being faced with it, or that you can’t correctly express yourself without resorting to “I’m done! bye!”.
Which, by the way, you have claimed to end this conversation twice already and have continuously replied.
Further evidence of the lack of attention span I was talking about.
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Especially for you i make your “twice” here truth.
At this point the only thing that matters is to get your curve asap if you pug, because otherwise it’ll be very hard to even find a group to enter HC. And for the first tier in each expansion you have to gear through mythic dungeons/world quests/warfronts/etc. LFR has nothing to do with gearing at any point.
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I think the way people communicate has changed tbh. We spend more time on places like Discord where I can chat with anyone either in message form or verbally who is part of that community, guild chat is limited to just in game and only the characters that in are in a particular guild.
I personally don’t find the game less social, if anything for me it’s a vast improvement on feeling pushed out and alone 
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Player: I hate 4 levels of Raiding - LFR should go
Also Player: Tumbleweed about 15+ levels of Mythic Dungeon
Bloat has nothing to do with this… Mythic has gatekeepers who get to sit in judgement on other players… that really, really appeals to some players’ egos.
I don’t think it’s mythic players, it seems to be people trying to force others into Normal. So the same people they complain about being bad, they want to push into a mode they will probably never use or be able to get in, due to the hoops you have to jump through to be able to take part.
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So there is a steady gear progression through tiers as the Expc progresses… best of all, as we keep getting told, LFR is piss easy, so HC raiders can just LFR with a guild group for free shinies, between the proper glorious HC and Mythic content, for proper, glorious gamers.
Except dirty, dirty, scrubs get into LFR, when you haven’t got the full krew…swaggering around in their gear… that they haven’t really earned or bought properly…swaggering around dirty, dirty, scrubs…if LFR disappearred the dirty, dirty scrubs would stop swaggering around…in their gear…dirty, dirty scrubs, contaminating your game.
It’s an Outrage!..Bring back invitation only, Vanilla Alpha… back then it was a proper game…with proper players…by a proper company… no dirty, dirty, scrubs, swaggering around…in their gear…swaggering around!
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