Why put insane curses in the game like in grim batol?

just so healers without decurse can hate their life and rage and their dps’ers for not using theirs?

Sometimes not all content is meant to be easy :wink:

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If the curse is particularly worse than other similar debuffs, then it’ll be adjusted, but keep in mind that all healers have a “weakness” when it comes to dispells and you should build your party accordingly.

If your dps aren’t de-cursing, this is not a problem with the curse, but with the players.

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It’s nasty, but not impossible to manage. If a healer is not able to dispell it, and no dps has a curse dispell. The dps should be ready to use a defensive or self heal to help out the healer. Pretty simple really.

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Mage can always decurse, shaman I think also or Im wrong, druid, monk. But u know fun fact u dont need to be healer to decurese people :smiley:

An optional talent for all of them. Vast majority of builds will not include them. So you have to mention it to them so they can drop something to have a curse dispell. None of them have it baseline.

If you tell them, most will actually do it (At least those I play with). But those who rarely or never play healer don’t tend to pay attention to debuffs on party members while dpsing, unless it’s mechanic related.

If u really want to time key then u will be team player and not solo in grp content. Mage for example can remove point in talent master of time just to talent decurse at least so he can dispel himself in Grim.

We all have one point in class talent that can live without one dungeon run and put point into something that can benefit for dungeon u r in.

There is one nice addon called decursive and u can install and used just for Grim for example. It give nice small quare on screen u click and dispel yourself if u can he blink when u have debuff and also have sound.

Dead dps means nothing.

And what if they just don’t know? What if nobody ever mentioned it to them?

Someone can easily be a team player and not know about 1 debuff from 1 mob that appears in one particular part of a dungeon. Requiring them to pick a talent that otherwise sees no use. Also, it’s the start of a new season. People are still learning. I for one can’t think of any other place a curse dispell can be used in the current dungeon pool.

Having them install a addon does not help if they do not have curse dispell in the first place.

People look up guides online often. A vast majority of those guides, even those for keys, does not include those talents. Sometimes they don’t even include a useful CC talent. Devasation evoker guides not picking Deep Breath stun for keys is something I saw often in Dragonflight.

Also, if you read my post. I said that if there is no curse dispell. Use a defensive or self heal, help out the healer.

I mean we r talking about Grim Batol most cursed dungeon ofc there will be curses to dispel. Idk how much people play classic but at some point we all learned about that place .
Or they dont know how to remove one dead talent point and put in something useful?

Real issue is here people refuse to do something itself and wait healer to do it and then oh no we dont have no one to dispel curse. People r not most of time aware of grp they r in and what some class can to or not. If they were aware would be less wipes and more smooth runs.

Quite a lot of people playing retail don’t tend to play classic. Also, Grim Batol is nothing like I remember it from Cata heroic. As in the original cata heroic.

As in 2010/2011 cata, 14 years ago. I’m sure those who played back then remembers the specific curse debuffs of Grim Batol heroic. All I can remember is “Break yourselves upon my body”.

And if people refuse to do something to help out the group and the healer, group content is clearly not for them.

And people are unaware, yes. Do you help them by saying they’re not a group player, that they don’t understand their class kit? No, you mention to them that there is a part where something that is -rarely- used in the first place will be really helpful. Again. Name me another example in this current dungeon season where a curse dispell is a huge game changer, and not simply ignored or passively out healed.

You’d be surprised by how many groups can do much better if you simply take a few seconds to type out what they should look out for in case it’s not something obvious.

Same could be said for diseases and poisons too. You tailor your spec’s toolkit to the challenges you will be faced with. That includes picking utility when it’s relevant and not picking it when it isn’t in favour of something more generic but less impactful.

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Shaman can remove Magic, Curse and Poison (the last one through totem). Only Disease cannot be removed. Do the rest of the healers have the ability to remove 3 of the 4 types of debuffs?

Is there a healer that can remove bleeds?

Preservation evoker I think?

yes on a 1min cd they can, but it doesnt require prevoker, any of the 3 specs can do it

Like others said.

DPS and others can help sometimes to get rid of those stuff.
I always specced the poison and disease remove because of that.

Just to support the healer where its possible. Sometimes you dont feel like a tank as paladin.

you Remove poison and diseases on cooldown. Healing with your procs if an dps or the healer is low, freedom if someone is rooted etc.

If your whole grp acts like this and support each other. You should be fine. And yes i know… Helping your mates dont do any dps… But if your grp is dead, there is no dps at all remember it.

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