Why RDF is needed, why you all want it and why any other take is wrong

[Sórel-argent-dawn]

@Krutoj-lakeshire

Since you claimed to have ran into the same people all the time on a server with 14k players, I assumed you didn’t PUG. Because statistically this is very unlikely. So even if it happened to you, that’s an experience 99% of players don’t make.

I bumped into many of the same people, in a pug, yes. While you’re leveling, the pool of players that will have the same time availability, the same dungeon eligibility, and make a compatible group is not going to be the full population of the server. In those niche circumstances, you are likely going to bump into those people both inside and outside the dungeon.

@Krutoj-lakeshire

Because you were lacking real arguments you proceeded to attack me, by saying I didn’t PUG

I was showing you how ridiculous your argument, which was saying I didn’t pug, is by judging it by your own subjective experiences.

You cannot make that argument, and then say its an invalid argument when its used against you. Its exactly the same argument, and that is the point I made. Stop being hypocritical.

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@Sórel-argent-dawn

@Grimseethe-nethergarde-keep

LFG spam is not social or a conversation, if “LFM nexus need tank” - “im tank” is a conversation to you, seek help.
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That’s not the social aspect of it. The time it takes to build a group gets you all talking. Everyone is from your realm, and you start to notice the same names again and again, and out in the real world. That builds up a feeling of community.

So you think that for 99% of PUGs the social part is the “LF1 TANK HFC!”
That is probably why you don’t think pugs are social then.

Making the pug isn’t meant to be the only social part, its the behaviour you have inside the group. If the people are from your realm, and are at your lvl/gearlvl, are able to play similar hours to you, and make a compatible group composition then you’re likely going to be social with these people as you may see them again.

If its just an expendable rando that you’ll never see again, then you’re going to act differently. And we see that in the difference between dungeons in retails vs classic. If you can’t wrap your head around that then you shouldn’t be trying to argue against it. Your argument of “Don’t believe your lying eyes” isn’t a very effective one.

@Krutoj-lakeshire

So by your logic you are only allowed to enjoy a steak

Because a game and food are clearly the same thing. What even is that…

@Krutoj-lakeshire

You just fail to understand logic.

Says the guy comparing a steak with an MMORPG. Seriously, now I’m starting to think you’re just trolling.

@Krutoj-lakeshire

Saying I don’t like vegetables, because I hate garden work is just stupid

I think you need to go eat mate

[Vanillataur-nethergarde-keep]

I think you all need to read up on the Dungeon finder, as none of us seem to remember how it really worked back then. I surely did not (Most of all for not using it until the end of Wrath)
Scroll down on this page and read the history of RDF all the way back to TBC :D.
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Dungeon_Finder

[Krutoj-lakeshire]

@Sórel-argent-dawn

I bumped into many of the same people, in a pug, yes. While you’re leveling, the pool of players that will have the same time availability, the same dungeon eligibility, and make a compatible group is not going to be the full population of the server. In those niche circumstances, you are likely going to bump into those people both inside and outside the dungeon.

@Krutoj-lakeshire

Maybe in leveling dungeons it’s different, because the pool of players to pick from is much smaller. But from level 60-70 and especially on max level, there is absolutely no chance you’ve kept running into the same players over and over when there are 14k players on the server.

Ok so while you level it’s totally possible to run into the same players all the time. But you can’t just go and translate this experience to every dungeon. Especially not at max level. You made it sound like it’s a common thing in every dungeon of firemaw.

@Sórel-argent-dawn

I was showing you how ridiculous your argument, which was saying I didn’t pug, is by judging it by your own subjective experiences.

No you just embarrassed yourself, because you tried to turn the logic around, which didn’t work.

When I say you don’t look wet, so I doubt you’ve been in the water right now. That’s a logical conclusion. If you than say: “Oh yeah?! But you look wet, so I think you haven’t been in the water.” It’s just nonsense.

@Sórel-argent-dawn

ou cannot make that argument, and then say its an invalid argument when its used against you. Its exactly the same argument, and that is the point I made. Stop being hypocritical.

No it’s not. And by now you make me doubt your intelligence.

@Sórel-argent-dawn

Making the pug isn’t meant to be the only social part, its the behaviour you have inside the group. If the people are from your realm, and are at your lvl/gearlvl, are able to play similar hours to you, and make a compatible group composition then you’re likely going to be social with these people as you may see them again.

I have shocking news for you: You can be social in an RDF group to. Even if everybody in the group is from another server you can still talk to them and you can even exchange battle net IDs or discord and keep in touch.

@Sórel-argent-dawn

If its just an expendable rando that you’ll never see again, then you’re going to act differently.

No I don’t because I don’t put a value on people depending on if I see them again or not. I don’t treat people in an RDF group any different than people from my server.
If you have a mindest like this than your mindest is the problem and not the RDF.

@Sórel-argent-dawn

And we see that in the difference between dungeons in retails vs classic. If you can’t wrap your head around that then you shouldn’t be trying to argue against it. Your argument of “Don’t believe your lying eyes” isn’t a very effective one.

No my argument is you can’t just assume the community in Retail is like it is because of the RDF. There are a lot of differences and nobody can tell why it’s different. We can just make assumptions and no matter how often you repeat your assumption it will never be more than that.

@Sórel-argent-dawn

Because a game and food are clearly the same thing. What even is that…

It’s called a metaphor. So for you I spell it out. Just because you enjoy something, doesn’t mean you have to enjoy the whole process. I like doing dungeons but I dislike forming groups. Did this sink in now?

@Sórel-argent-dawn

Says the guy comparing a steak with an MMORPG. Seriously, now I’m starting to think you’re just trolling.

@Krutoj-lakeshire

Saying I don’t like vegetables, because I hate garden work is just stupid

I think you need to go eat mate

Anything is better than talking with you. No wonder you are against the RDF. Nobody would want to put up with you for just a short while if they wouldn’t have to.
But you have to understand that forcing people to interact with you is wrong. You should rather reflect on your behaviour and change so you are more likeable.

[Sórel-argent-dawn]

@Krutoj-lakeshire

No you just embarrassed yourself, because you tried to turn the logic around, which didn’t work.

When I say you don’t look wet, so I doubt you’ve been in the water right now. That’s a logical conclusion. If you than say: “Oh yeah?! But you look wet, so I think you haven’t been in the water.” It’s just nonsense.

Why are you so weird about this…

@Sórel-argent-dawn

Everyone is from your realm, and you start to notice the same names again and again, and out in the real world. That builds up a feeling of community.

I give my, and what a lot of people say, is their experience of pugs

@Krutoj-lakeshire

You obviously didn’t PUG a lot.

You say I didn’t pug because that was my experience.

@Sórel-argent-dawn

I’ve leveled exclusively by doing dungeons on my warrior and paladin, since I simply don’t like questing. So on Firemaw, one of the highest population realms, it’s definitely like this.

Sounds like you’re the one that hasn’t done much pugging

I reverse your logic on you: if that wasn’t your experience then it sounds like you “obviously didnt pug a lot”

You’re not outsmarting anyone, you just look like you have a reading comprehension issue.

[Mamachad-gehennas]

Man why do posts like that still exist? RFD is great and is a known fact that anti-RFD people(if you can even call them that) have room temperature IQ and are terrible at the game.

Let’s just hope they implement the feature at some point during the expansion. Until then all we can do is ignore and deny the”muh community” idiots from joining our party and raids

[Grimseethe-nethergarde-keep]

Just to make one final comment, i hate posting on the wow forums and i hate talking to others.
Blizz check ever poll, every forum post, we want RDF.
Keep the ZA bear, make it a drop chance, give people reason to visit ZA.
Keep the drakes from glory of the raider naxx, because theyre cool and people like farming.
Been gaming longer than most of your staff have been alive, i beg you to use my wisdom.
When it comes to MMOs, ive made many on paper. and theyre all better than anything that exists.