Good I am glad to see M+ gear not reach the same ilvl as Mythic raiding. This should never have been the case. The higher the content the more difficult the higher the rewards
and it was a spit in the 10% Raiders faces to have to endure the difficulties, the time and effort to only see casuals running around in the same ilv gear for half the effort. Basically SL mythic + killed off raiding for the expansion for the very reason above.
With that said the only time I belive m+ gear should be on par with mythic raiding gear is for keys 30+
Blizzard already said that the tuning was bad they even admitted it, also no i hope raid gear will always be better then m+, reason 1: it is always more organised then m+, reason nr 2: it takes your time even its normal first few weeks is a 1.30 hour clear.
This is what he said.
This is what I am commenting on.
But regarding what you just said.
M15 vault gives 288 but upgradeable to 304 with basicly no effort.
Heroic gives 292 but not upgradeable, making Heroic completely useless. If you only care about gear. (AGAIN the case in DF).
(which ppl here clearly do )
Also a good suggestion!
The max M+ level off your “M+ HC gear” is debatable. But this would be an idea that could work.
EDIT:
The problem right now, which will continue in DF, is that raiding NM/HC for gear is completely pointless IF there were no BiS items.
The 1% off the community that raids Mythic is not even a problem.
With the current gearing levels through M+ you NEED to have BiS items in the raid or you will have EVEN LESS ppl intrested in doing them.
That is one off the big reasons why raiding is super unpopular these days.
You probably didnt read, what Ive wrote later, so let me say it again. From the wowhead sources m+15 rewards are 412ilvl, heroic bosses drop 414-421 ilvl. So even casual raiders get better loot than top tier m+ players farming +30s or pushing 3k pvp ratings.
I dont know if you are just trolling or have no idea how m+ work, but even if +15s would be easy, as you said, the rewards for +30 are the same, so you cant outplay this ceiling even if you were a literal god of non raiding content. Thats my issue. Good players should be rewarded accordingly. No matter what content they do. With the current ilvl plan, everybody who wants to do non raid content, will have to do raids as well, if they want to push to bellow average levels of content.
I hate the idea that I cant get the best gear for the content that I preffer unless I commit to raiding.
I should not need to raid to push keys.
Also I’d argue that doing higher keys levels is indeed more of a challenge than mythic raiding, the hardest part about mythic raiding is organizing it.
Why do you think ppl should be forced into raiding? Why not just do what you find fun and chose your way to gear up? If ppl dont want to raid, dont force them. There are enough chores, annoying and ridiculously badly designed things in this game to deal with.
If you min/max with M+ gear you don’t need the mythic ilvl gear. You should be able to push your usual 15 - 20 with the max m+ gear. However if you crave a higher ilvl for m+ then by all means go mythic raiding - then turning the game into a job is on you.
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