I think high value items should remain high value through a form of rarity by making the effort of getting them difficult, that means only the dedicated will be able to achieve the feat which gives it meaning and value.
Welfare items are boring, nobody wants to see 50000 Orc Warriors running around with Gorehowl in their Grom Hellscream transmog because they did a 5 man dungeon. It’s not gatekeeping to not want items to be posted in the mail, they have literally zero value or meaning if they aren’t earned.
To me it is gatekeeping and i feel like your idea of game design and how every item like that is some kind of “walfare” and has zero value doesn’t fit current retail design philosophy at all.
Maybe it is still in classic, but not in retail. Times change and it just seems like your idea of game didn’t.
You wouldn’t see 500000 orc warriors around with gorehowl, because most people won’t even do the megadungeon.
Farming and eventually getting rare item IS dedication, not matter from where it drops.
“Gatekeeping” is a silly use of the term. Is it gatekeeping to have anything in the game be challenging then? Is the Mage Tower “gatekeeping” because it’s cosmetic items behind a challenge? Keymaster mount each season “gatekeeping” because you need to complete M+ dungeons at a higher level? Is it “gatekeeping” to give the Gladiator mount only to people who earn the “Gladiator” title?
If you make rewards difficult to achieve they have value when you earn them. If you’re an Orc Warrior and you have Gorehowl then it should mean you have put in some great effort or a display of great skill to earn that. That would give it meaning, that would mean if someone sees a Warrior with Gorehowl there is a level of assumption about your skill or dedication.
That’s not the same if they make it an item anyone can get for little effort. It becomes meaningless. This isn’t “gatekeeping”, it’s good game design.
What you mentioned isn’t gatekeeping, but your thinking about that one is and i will leave it at that.
If im orc warrior i will wear that is cool looking to me, no matter if it’s rare or not, i don’t want to feel like some special snowflake because i got some item that i wish noone else would get.
It’s not good game design not matter how you put it, because you still think it would be an item everyone would get or at least more than 100 people would get.
I have some mage tower items unlocked and they don’t have bigger appeal to me than item that had 50% chance to drop, i have some mage tower artifact appearances unlocked, but if someone would asked about mage tower and them coming back because some people missed? Hey, im on board.
You put many words into your sentences but it stills screams to me gatekeeping tho and now after your last post, there is some kind of “snowflake” attitude to that too, sorry not sorry i guess.
Edit & typos: It’s the game and pixels in the end, if you’re so hard on things only being very hard to earn because everything other is meaningless and “walfare” item from “trivial” content, don’t worry the thing in the pants won’t get bigger, because you can flaunt pixel item in the game and you won’t be more cool than others, that don’t have it.
You keep using this term. I’m sorry but I just disagree with your idea that prestigious items should be available to everyone freely, it’s just dumb. The item should be available to everyone who is willing to put in the effort to achieve it.
Like Gladiator mount, like M+ Keymaster mount, like Mage Tower appearances. Nothing that isn’t earned has meaning. When things have no meaning they are not valued, not by the owner and not by others, it’s just another notch on the belt, another ticked box on a shopping list.
Food tastes better when you’re hungry, you also appreciate hard work more. Human psychology. You’re asking for welfare Gorehowl, I’d rather they never add it to the game than give you what you want.
Any item you get in this game is earned one way or another, no matter if its 1% drop or 50% drop, to me value has everything that i like and like the looks of.
I did orc heritage questline and i really like the armor did i get? Was it was easy to do? Yes? It has value to me? Yes, because i like the look of it.
I don’t wear only rare items, because they’re rare and i need to have the feeling of being “special”, look at me people, look at my pixels!
It’s like these people that wear expensive clothese because only they’re more expensive and you have to get more money for them, im not one of these people and you seem like that type of person but in this game.
And i hope they do add it for everyone that will have chance to get it, that actually want to use that high res version of gorehowl and are bored of 2 polygon one for many years now.
I would support that more than it being a dungeon drop. What even is the point in putting an iconic weapon back in the game like this, only for it to be some trivial dungeon drop? A complete waste.
Gaining cool items is all about the journey and the memories associated with the journey. That’s why old Legendary questlines such as in WOTLK and Cataclysm were fun, that’s why gaining a Gladiator mount is a big moment for many players. It doesn’t need to be the “Insane” title or something ridiculous, but it absolutely needs to be something where you need to make a decision to embark on some effort for a just reward.
Nothing should be handed on a plate, it becomes meaningless.
Speaking on my own behalf, I’m not killing treasure goblins daily for the journey of it. I am squarely interested in a cool looking mount for my paladin.
Some items in the game have pointless grinds like this and that is whatever, but the Tyrael mount is not a high value prestigious or particularly cool item, it’s a promotional mount that millions of people got with Diablo 3 from buying a 6 month WoW sub.
And of course you’re not doing it for “the journey” - But the journey is the important element in what gives achieving high value items meaning. This isn’t a WoW thing, this is human psychology that can be seen every day in your life. You disagreeing with this point for the sake of not wanting to agree with my take does not make it less true.
You will remember the annoying goblin grind in 2 years time, you wouldn’t have remembered anything if the mount was mailed to you, I forgot I even had it until you mentioned it. I didn’t forget that I had a Netherwing Drake, I still remember farming eggs with my friend from Scotland that I met in game back in 2008.
Dude, you treat a video game rare items like some kind of Real life changing i don’t know what, achievements.
No further discussion with you is even needed, when you said yourself, that you wouldn’t even get gorehowl if it was tied to raiding even, because you don’t raid and you don’t want anyone to get it, unless it’s some super hiper end content you won’t even do.
That’s how petty person talks and shows how petty you are.
You really take this game too seriously, bringing up some human psychology, where is your master in psychology or you’re just another arm chair reddit doctor?
You talked before about effort, but anything you do or choose to spend your free IRL time in a game is putting an effort, i you don’t get the item one week, but get it another because it has higher droprate, you put an effort, you do it again, you put an effort.
It’s clear that you just don’t get it.
Edit: Reminds me of some group of Souls games players that act like they’re the only real gamers in the world and noone else even matter, because they beat these games over and over again.
It’s actually super easy, barely an inconvenience. One daily kill - the odds of getting the horse drops after that. I put more effort into my monthly Trader’s Tenders, which is to say, I just play the game and usually end up with what I want by month’s end.
I will remember the mount itself though, because of the aforementioned swagtastic looking Paladin look I have planned to rock.
“I’m not wrong, you’re just disagreeing with me on principle.”
Watch out, the guy has a master degree in humanity and he’s the only that knows truth about the world and everything around, every gamer that has achievements or goals that are not tied to highest lvl of content is a peasant gamer that doesn’t deserve anything that was easier to get.
Yeah because I don’t see the point in Gorehowl being added to be a welfare item you log in and play for an hour to get. What a waste of a really cool item to have it be something like that, worthless fodder for the masses.
I’d prefer if it meant something in game even if it meant I wouldn’t be able to get it. Items like that should motivate you to want to play the game, this is Warcraft and not login and dressup barbie.
No you’re wrong and you know it. But you won’t admit that because you’ve already decided you disagree with me, you like the idea of items handed to you on a plate. You’re playing dressup barbie game.
In GW2 for example they tend to up-res some unique items from the past, without the need of getting them again, like legendary weapons in GW2, i wish they would do the same in WoW, since we already have gorehowl weapon item in the game, but i maybe we will get it at least as a drop.
Dude, what year are you living in, it’s not 2004 anymore?
Go back to classic you don’t have “barbie dressup” there, where many people buy a lot of gold or tokens now, even tho they were saying how fun it will be and hard to gather gold and everything in classic, unlike on retail.
Going back, getting gorehowl will mean different things to every single person getting it, even if it’s not an item that only 1% players will get.
I still wear old gorehowl to this day and it was easy for me to get.
When you decide to do megadungeon that will launch with next patch and are able to kill the boss with the group and it drops or leads to a quest, you deserve that loot, you put an effort, used the time of your life to do that content and beat the bosses.
grom would approve
