I dislike this bg so much.
It’s often one sided so much so that it turns in to a game of 25minutes getting chased by 8+ vehicles and a raid of players.
Once it snowballs players leave and this just further decreases chances as you lose ranked individuals so new starters cannot create vehicles to counter and tend to just get bombed.
I got a few suggestions and I wonder if any others have some also?
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More NPCs that grant rank or a multiplier based on time left/towers down.
Bubble shield deployable that prevents demo/catapult damage and must be disabled by enemy player on foot or have a time limit.
Let attackers breach walls earlier (demon gateway, jump, jetpack etc) and capture these workshops without having to take down gate.
More usage of pvp buffs - self heal, speed boosts & beserker
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I want to play and enjoy this bg because it comes up often but I often find myself leaving as we have 20 minutes left still and are just running the gauntlet getting gib’d by siege machines/demo/cata.
Am I the only one who is frustrated by this epic bg? Anybody enjoy the current iteration (and why so?) ?
Interested to see if other folks have any suggestions for this, currently so many leavers and I do NOT want to see another epic removed whatsoever regardless of how much I like or dislike. We are losing bgs when we should have more!!
Fix Wintergrasp plz. Plox.
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I’m not a huge fan of it either, besides how huge and open the map is and the imbalance, vehicles always felt like a loss of player agency to me since you lose all your character’s class abilities and gear and just hop in a tank with 3 buttons that’s the same for everyone.
AV is my favorite epic BG by far, and after that maybe Ashran although it’s fairly single-track zerg with not too many side objectives that I’m aware of. I remember it being different way back when but maybe they changed it.
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That’s exactly how I have felt about vehicles for a while, I try to avoid using them but really you cannot if you want to be sucessful. Many players are unaware that as a foot soldier you can jump from vehicle to vehicle and avoid much of the damage from other vehicles but I don’t think this serves anybody outside of a few as it is not obvious at all really.
That kinda led me to the deployable bubble, in a way it fuction is similar but it’s more obvious for the average player.
I really enjoy AV but I detest player mentality - I hate a PvE zerg rush for a quick finish, I que PvP to PvP and I find such an annoyance that people actively try to avoid it for their honor and HKS!
Fortunately I can avoid this PvE zerg in AV, I defend most games now and I get my small PvP fix depending on team. Really miss the Korrak variant and I hope they consider buffing the npcs in such a way for the future, it forced players to coordinate and work together more as much of the npcs are lethal.
I’ve been lucky in my past few AVs, and we’ve defended and won them on resources. Pretty funny actually when you see people run on mount trying to rush our base over and over while we slaughter them and they slowly come to the realisation that they maybe should fight back. 
I prefer these games so much more, even if I’m losing I find it much more engaging.
We get so many clueless player in BG, I wanna say many don’t understand objectives but I don’t think this is entirely the case, many just leech and look to lose asap still.
Today I play around 15-20 BGs, has been a long day and 100% lose ratio on epics / 100% win ratio in regular BG, as alliance.
The only difference I see is that in regular bgs we are getting a higher % of players on team who actually know how to play objectives and will cooperate together even if loss but if you read the bg chat in some of the games… it probably not the key factor…
Still Wintergrasp is just a big no-no, we don’t really get to pvp, we mostly just get bombed by sieges, takes a team effort to break these situations and most players have no interest and leave and I don’t really blame them.
Blizzard have tuned this quite recently and even asked for feedback, I hope they still continue to make changes, hopefully some drastic ones too as the epic bg situation is pretty dire, keeping it varied may push players to actually coordinate than follow the same tactics game after game.
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I wish we could blacklist battlegrounds again…
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Yes. Bring this back. 4 bgs this time.
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Blacklisting should have never been removed 
I would like to play Wintergrasp rather than blacklist but in the current situation it’s not enjoyable. Sometimes I try but I’d rather get any other BG in the world as it exists and it’s not a time friendly bg at all.
One sided stomps for ages are common, maybe 1/30 has it been close called.
I think WG is a great battleground but then again it may just be my nostalgia talking, idk. It definitely needs balancing though because the defending team has too much of an advantage.
The first step that should be taken is to limit the range of the keep’s cannons so that they can no longer reach Sunken. That alone can help a great deal!
If that’s not enough, then maybe the two bases inside the keep could… take a while to become operational. This way, even if the defending team wins at Sunken, there won’t be such an overwhelming number of vehicles chasing down the attackers.
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There is some potential to it I think, I have had some great games that are very close, just rare that happens now! Also it’s more improved than when it was just a world event I think.
Defending is very strong advantage . I love the suggestion, even for the vehicles I think the range could be slightly reduced too.
I love the idea that it would be possible to sneak into the base and capture the workshops, doing some damage from within - it would certainly require more coordination I think due to respawn locations and the fact you are boxxed in. It would probably require some balancing but it’s not unfathomable to me, like forcing players who die in this location to spawn further away than usual… just throwing some rough ideas out there.
Thx for comment 
I only join specific Wintergrasp to complete the 150CP quest on new alts for fast Conquest cap.
After that.i insta leave especially when we wipe first and they make like 16-0 demolishers.
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I think so many players do this.
Tempting me to do a couple games later and log the events in greater detail.
In day time many just leave at this point you mention, at night time/early morning once this starts to happen it seems like the losing team struggles to hit 40 players again even.
I can’t blame people for leaving, it’s more time effective and you can’t even have any meaningful PvP a lot of the time due to the nature of how the stomp gets stronger and harder to break.
Tbh i dont do this to grief my team or troll.
Its just an effective quick step to get closer to Conquest cap for an ilvl upgrade.
Untill i reach 450 ilvl i only do Battle for Nazjatar-Air Drop Crate - Assault / Secret Supply Chest - AV & Wintergrasp quests - Call to Arms / AoO.
After 450 i que for randoms so i be less burden to teamates.
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I kinda guessed, I don’t think many players do it to purposely grief, they are just protecting their experience and well… It’s so rare to have a team of players who act as such.
I’ll always try help somebody who is trying to lead our team but it’s very often these players get verbally attacked for trying to help by their own team. People don’t really follow tactics outside the norm and it’s a sad situation I think.
I think it’s a shame players feel this way but you are not wrong at all, in certain bgs these players can really have an impact, Wintergrasp actually provides a platform for these players to be useful and I appreciate that but it’s just a bit too much, the balance is lopsided consistently.
I love the bg content, for me it is highly replayable if done correctly, more so than any other content in the game, wish it would vary a bit more much like affixes change routes.
Its nice of you really…but what are rewards for random bg 430? Thats like tryhards want full corruption and 470 ilv at 1400 cr. In mop/wod it was normal to gear in random bgs or playing undergeared at low cr…now? You have to grind pve like moron because poeple will flame the fk out of you in random bgs. Wow just wow…there are only tryhards in this game now.
If players wanna tryhard then I think more power to them but I think it would be better for the game overall if it was try hards vs try hards with equal chance.
Currently we can’t really get much of either, quitting is rampant (as I write this I have deserter debuff lol). Teams are very unbalanced and it’s very rare for players to make meaningful connections in random bgs and work together in future in more.
We can’t wave a magic wand and change this but I think there is 100% changes that can take place in BGs, one of them is providing an option for players to fight without gear being a factor, another is better balancing - I’d take fewer players to start if we was more likeminded and see the number gradually increase than players just leaving because you are getting stomped without really having a leg to stand on.
Current system does have a place but we need more choice also. Also gearing is just bad all around, we needed vendor with extensive choices for gear and it to be made clearer - you can’t even see what the traits are on an item before you select it via pvp currently.
It feels like PvP has suffered some radio silence really, what the community wants seems quite clear in direction and I do feel like it’s just completely brushed aside. Would it have hurt to have changes made it the current system even? Is it really so hard to add the vendors? If they have a vision for PvP and where it is going… why is it not clear to us at all? 
WHY!!! 
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Sat down for some epic BGs last night…
Wintergrasp pops, I leave, log on other alt
Wintergrasp pops, I leave, log on other alt
Wintergrasp pops, I leave, log on other alt
Wintergrasp pops, I leave, log on other alt
Wintergrasp pops, I leave, log on other alt
Wintergrasp pops, I leave, log on other alt
Wintergrasp pops, I leave, log on other alt
Wintergrasp pops, I leave, log off
Yes, true story. Same game 8 different alts. Pls bring blacklist. It’s very crappy and obviously I’m not sticking around to play it.
Yes this BG need to be redesigned.
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