I genuinely have no clue why you are hyped for WoD, It is the third worst Expansion of all time. The levelling was decent if you enjoy that, I guess. But once you hit max, there is literally 0 to do.
I think a lot of people came back for MoP because 14 years ago it was a good experience. Streaming was popping off, Arena Tourny’s were being pushed by Blizzard and overall MoP was hype. This time around, I believe we’ve realised it’s everything we dislike about the direction WoW has taken - I remember logging in the first day of launch and thinking “But this is just retail”, which it totally is.
Classic is cooked at the moment, the devs need to say something soon about Classic +. Literally every version of the game (5 is too many man wtf) apart from HC has fallen off hard. I’d even taken Titanforged at this point like China just so I have something decent to do for 2 years while we wait for the devs to fumble Classic +
I already explained it
Good endgame content, thats all I do anyway
I dont care how good you think it was, I didnt really play it when I was current and I would like to.
I despise the daily grind in the beginning but its optional if you are a casual… I need the rep for gear to be raid ready though.
It is very far away from current retail.
And I am not a huge fan of the endless grinds of vanilla wow, starting with leveling, then gold farming, then attunements, then running the same dungeon 30 times for 1 item etc. I like Wrath - Legion the most.
Classic means rerelease of an old expansion as it was back then. Not your vague definition of “vanilla - wrath” or whatever it is. Thats the branding. Thats why they can call Cataclysm CLASSIC and MoP CLASSIC.
Or maybe they have fun playing? Hmm?
I really dont get you doomers always crying about the game. Stop playing it if you hate it so much. Go on your wrath private server and clear ICC 200 times if thats what you want to do.
Yea maybe, Ill keep having a blast in the good raids of every expansion.
There is no endgame in WoD. Ask anyone who played it. That’s why we quit.
WoD Classic is a dumb idea, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they half-assed slapped it out there. A lot of people will just go TBC…
Other dude is right, we’re not playing Classic any more. I dunno why you don’t just go Retail if end game spammy queue is all you want to do.
Because they decide do it. I think Legion classic is more likely what comes next. Personally think that they should just do remix events of old expansions and leave recycling classic to that anniversary what they are doing. Missed mop remix but legion remix is maybe most fun event what i have ever played in wow but think its enough legion again atleast for me
The “endgame” in Classic is raids. That is it. We’ve been doing this since 2019 now. All that matters is raids until M+ in Legion and WoD will be more of the the same. Yes it was garbage for Retail. In Classic? It will be a 1 year xpac with 3 raids just like Cata was and it will be fine.
Will it be popular? Who knows. I would’ve guessed MoP to be more popular than Cata at least but it isn’t so it will probably just be more of the same. People who think TBC will be any more popular than Anni are delusional.
And nobody cares because it’s just a brand name at this point no matter how much people cry about it.
why don’t you just play retail and enjoy end game, are you dumb ?
Well, that’s not really true. Legion was even more violent in that regard.
DK and Lock, for example, were massacred much more in Legion than in WoD (which was very similar to Mop).
wod had more cc than legion and bfa wotlk cata bc classic
The Frost Mage in PvP had some of the best gameplay ever, Raiku already said it.
I can name other classes.
One of the only classes I missed was the War Weapon, where a spell was missing from its rotation.
When you look at the graphs, it’s not necessarily true.
The big problem with WoD is like Cataclysm: an unfinished expansion with very few patches, and patches that are too long.
Personally, I think the PvP in WoD was really good. There were only two metas (S1 and S2/S3).
Fewer instants and CCs than MoP. The gameplay was pretty good when you played it in high-level mode, but you have to replay it to understand.
the wod pve was also very good, the blackrock foundry is probably the best raid i’ve done
People were super hyped for WoTLK. They realized that the hype was just nostalgia and lore. Cata was better in every way (gameplay, PVE, PvP).
And wod it’s probably even my favorite PvP.
There was no farming, fast pexing, and easy gold to obtain. The complete opposite of Legion, BFA, and SL, which were a second job.
Besides, if this expansion comes out on Classic, with the flaws of the time, it would be a huge flop.
df and sl have gear farming similar to wod, but the big problem is that everything is pve oriented in the talent tree/heroic talent/set. The retail game is pve oriented. Too many modifiers, it’s unreadable without addon. and midnight doesn’t fix that
I played on wod circl and wow firestorm so if it exists. and I played it because I hated farming legion ( artefact power, legendary drop …) , and that Legion had completely ruined the 2 classes that I played, DK and Demo
This argument will always make me laugh, because it’s false.
You can push a CR in an arena, farm archivements, raid log…
Mop was a disaster from a subscriber perspective, and worse than Cataclysm.
People hated the lore with the pandas and the pet battles; everyone made fun of it (in fact, Blizzard had to repost the cutscene because of the dislikes, and it’s the only cutscene they did that in).
Streaming started to pop, but it was similar to Cataclysm with the PvP videos.
But the popularity was similar
to Wotlk/Cata, there was Athene, Swifty, and Mop Sodapopin. for the popular influencers of the time
Maybe because the end game is different in retail?
You midwit classic andies wont get it tho.
I play MoP because I want to play MoP. Not because I want to play retail.
All this gatekeeping is so disgusting.
Good endgane content? In WoD or MoP. Really are you serious
Yea I like the raids
ToT, SoO, BRF some of the best raids ever
I dont know why you think I am not serious
Yes SoO was fun at time and MoP end game was like should i do timeless iske and then SoO or SoO and then timeless isle. Reset days i liked best you could add ordos kill to rotation. Yes from WoD raids i agrer that blacrock foundry and Citadel was ok but highmaul was maybe most boring raid ever added but yes just my opinion. And WoD end game what end game? But yes can understand if someone didn’t play mop it is fun specially when you can just buy sigils and other stuff for cape from vendor. That would be great option for alt capes back then
Raids, dungeons, Challenge Modes.
Like any other expansion, that is the endgame.
For WoD they should have added another raid or two but they didnt so whatever.
And in Legion they add M+ aswell and you will never run out of stuff to do with the artifacts and appearances etc although I hope they change some stuff around because it was mandatory to nolife the game for the legendaries / artifact power.
Well hope you get wod classic then but i think next classic going to be legion and they just skip wod
Legion is better anyway (I love M+) but I would like WoD aswell.
I dont see how they can skip an expansion. Would be very weird to get a “new” expansion - level there, but you just skip everything else and just go to the broken isles.
I think they will release a WoD classic deluxe edition super pack to milk people once more and do the same with legion. We will see how many players are left by then.
Or then they do somekind really short version about wod classic before going to legion but have to wait and see. Maybe they want also forget that wod disaster and it was not all bad but If i remember right it was so ovet hyped to be next big thing since tbc or sonething like that. But still personally im done with classic releases and feel they just should go remix versions at end of current expansions like now with legion what is enough legion again for me but again just my opinion
lmao just go play retail dude, Classic ain’t for you.
It is for me
I am enjoying MoP CLASSIC and i enjoyed Cataclysm CLASSIC
You are not enjoying it thats why you whine like a baby with your other buddies when you could just not play, you know. Why are you even in this forum?
I think you should honestly play retail if you haven’t before. I think you’d enjoy it way more, It’s literally the same thing with way more shiny things to collect and even a number to grind out in dungeons.
Nobody here is my “buddy”, they’re just actual Classic players. Classic only came about because of Private Servers and sheer abuse from the community towards the Devs and specifically J. Allen after his infamous “You think you do, but you don’t.”. Turns out numbers don’t lie; we did want vanilla and going by numbers we wanted it a lot more than we did Cata and MoP.
These expansions and the ones that came after are not reflective of the MMORPG fantasy genre. There’s no sociablity, there’s no sense of accomplishment, it becomes a stagnant seasonal cycle of “redo the same things you did 2 months ago.”
I think most of us at this point just want a version of vanilla that we can keep our progress in that adds on top of the original game and where there aren’t only 2 DPS specs, 1.5 Tanks and 2 healers on each faction. The constant running the hamster wheel, regrinding everything, oh all my gear I’ve spent months on is suddenly sh**…
It’s so boring dude, I’m so tired of being reset all the time with 5 different copy pasted versions of the game with no end in sight because Blizzard refuses to tell us anything, ever.
MoP ain’t classic, I’ve played this game 2 decades at this point and I can tell you this is retail with less fidelity and a whole lot less to do.
I come from retail. I played the entirety of Shadowlands and S1 of The War Within.
I skipped Dragonflight because of the degenerate theme caused by modern “devs” which are a specific special kind of people. They cant make anything that is Warcraft like. Its just politics propaganda with a lot of unmanly themes that dont appeal to me. Thats why I dislike retail. Its not about the game itself. I got my keystone master, did the raid, cool. But apart from that I dont really like it, I am not a huge collector. I just do raids and M+ when its available, thats it.
And i want to do the old raids when they are current content, be it MoP, WoD or Legion.
It is classic, its the name. As I said before, your definition of “Vanilla-Wrath” being “Classic” is just that - your definition. For me its old expansions rereleased, and for Blizzard it is aswell. Not to mention that player numbers already dropped hard in Wrath after Naxxramas. Vanilla-Early Wrath lived off the classic “hype” - you cant seriously tell me that it would still have 500k players if they just kept a Vanilla or TBC era, it leads nowhere, people do the content a few times and quit.
That said, I would really love a Classic+ - I enjoyed SoD until my server died (I think that was at level 50?) and would definitely play something based on vanilla wow again, because I love that game also. I love all the RPG elements, the professions and all the nuance to it and the sense of lasting progression. What I dont like is all the missing QoL features such as AoE loot or insane travel times.
I am optimistic.
what lol
I think even Blizzard has more awareness the product they’re pushing isn’t in the spirit of the original game. Hence they’ve finally caved to the players once again.
No it wouldn’t have kept 500k+ players if they’d of left it to rot like every other IP. Even since Classic was announced people were hoping they’d add to the game. This has been a subject of discussion the entire time.
Saying that “Classic” is “Classic” purely because of the name is beyond the dumbest thing I’ve seen you write. That’s like saying Overwatch 2 was an entirely new game because of the 2 in it, when we know it’s the same game and none of the content that warranted the “2” was ever delivered.
Glad you’re going to give + a go, I pray it is not people such as yourself that Blizzard listens to when considering the direction it should go.