Assuming you have 5 healers on 25man and 2 heals on 10man you are still healing the same amount of people per healer with less raid CDs and might have to pay more attention to tanks at times than the raid. Yet it does the same damage on both sizes which is not exactly balanced, it favors 25m and it isn’t even close.
The last buff was last month for Fury Warriors which btw had a better performing spec in Arms Warrior. Also with that were a Shaman buff, Rogue/Lock/Mage nerfs.
These buffs/nerfs aren’t even frequent enough this phase, current underperformers in SP/WW/Ret need a desperate buff prior to ToT. We should’ve gotten at least one class buff change at the start of the month and/or between 23th and 25th this month. Yet crickets.
Can we stop pretending people are coming back? They’re not.
Will WoD see a spike in players? Obviously, but I can assure you that spike will diminish faster than any expansion prior. Even MoP has declined faster than Cataclysm did.
It’s the same player-base moving between 5 different versions of the game. People aren’t coming back for these snooze fest expansions.
I know there’s an audience on these forums who will rush to defend their old expansions where they can do easier retail content - but if you even bother to look at the active player count week on week, you’d see that you are not the majority.
People are quitting because these expansions do not have the same spirit as Vanilla, which is what Classic was all about.
If you enjoy raidlogging and dungeon brawling in old content, ok… But to just ignore statistics completely and glaze these boring asf old expansions because it makes you feel better about wasting your time is deluded. Numbers speak louder than a few white knights on the forum.
THEY ARENT BORING OR BAD FOR ME OR ANYONE ELSE THAT WANTS TO PLAY THEM
i dont know how insanely clear someone has to make it. Stop projecting your opinion onto everyone else. Its pathetic.
Vanilla - that is a timewaste, quite literally. Everything takes 5 billion years. I couldnt care less about the “immersion” or “community” because these are all random people and I have friends IRL. I want to do more than 1 button rotation garbage. I dont want to be a degenerate RPer in Goldshire. Respect that at last.
Well, I hope you understand the resentment from Vanilla WoW enjoyers towards people such as yourself. Do you know what MMORPG stands for? Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game. Role Playing. Classic certainly never came about from players like you who seek instant gratification and when they don’t get it, go moaning on forums and insulting anyone who differs from your opinion and groups all Vanilla players into some “degen” group.
Saying you’re not wasting your time when every 2 months a new raid tier drops that renders all your gear useless in a game that we KNOW is coming to an end and won’t see a merge with retail, but somehow having to invest time for rewards and not receiving everything in seconds isn’t?
All those tiktok clips have melted your brain Zoomer, you’ve got the attention span of a spoon. Bro simply can’t understand that people like being in a world, having to travel within it, be a part of an economy.. Just can’t grasp it. Gotta hit queue queue queue spam spam spam, look self up on warcraft logs with mid parses and glaze self, insta insta insta give give give.
If you think playing a game for escapism is degenerate, but playing it to get a higher number on a 3rd party website isn’t, like.. Wtf? Go be an accountant or something if all you like is big numbers. Only reason you’re on MoP is because retail is too difficult.
You also call others degenerates and unemployed but I’ve seen you replying at all times throughout the day on pretty much any new thread that pops up. Funny that.
You don’t want to play a role playing game? Retail is already there for you lil man. Just go get better at that.
This is just a big pile of assumptions, lies and slander
I have the forums open all the time at work, which is why most of my posts are from 08:00 - 17:00
I never used TikTok in my life, I can clear retail content if I want, no problem, I just dont like the theme.
Its again just projection, you are bad, so you think I am bad, downplay my parses for some reason like the other guy.
I never insulted anyone on the forums, I am the one getting insulted by salty classic andies.
I dont seek instant gratification i dont even know how you connect this to any WoW expansion. Not having to grind like a monkey has nothing to do with instant gratification. No thanks I dont want to run BrD 50 times.
Aww, did mentioning your mid parses hurt your feelings boo?
So you’d rather spam 25 dailies per day, than run BRD at your own pace? 50 times would be insanely unlucky too. But celestials are fine right? insta queue spamming the same 5 dungeons on repeat for over a day collecting fragments? Such a big diff.
Then repeating the same 25 dailies each day. So much fun, definitely not “grinding like a monkey”.
You could also tell me I am only 150cm tall which is not true, would hurt me just as much
Seeing as you dont even have parses you cant even comment. Its like a guy that never attended school downplaying someone elses graduation. Thats how laughable it is.
You’re not an MMORPG enjoyer dude. Ion literally made the game for players like you - yet you insist on coming back for old versions and trying to make them into the same thing. If I asked you for your classic suggestions, I bet you’d just tell me a bunch of retail features.
All you care about is parses and numbers, being the 10,000th best rogue or whatever.
I came back to MoP for the PvP, got my red glowstick and logged off. It’s that bad.
WoD shouldn’t even be on the cards right now, they need to update us on Classic + ASAP and put an end to this 5 different versions of the game.
It’s a shame though, because I know if Classic + came out you’d abandon WoD/Legion immediately, start playing it.. and then start crying on forums/twitter until the game was another dungeon brawler. Idk why they ever hired Ion, or why he immediately started catering the entire game towards you, but then.. He was making guides on ElitistJerks. I guess that says it all.
I dont know what kind of things you are imagining but I never complained about Vanilla wow, demanded changes or anything else, I just wouldnt play it.
I definitely prefer WoD and Legion to whatever C+ would be because I am not about the social aspect or RP or whatever.
Its not even worth talking about.
YOU are trying to enforce your game onto everyone else and shaming everyone for not liking it. Like a big baby, same as that warlock guy. Who hates MoP but still leveled to 90, then calls me addicted. Same with you. Total vanilla andy but cant stop playing “retail” lmao.
Stop shaming others for what they like. If you didnt notice - WoW has been “retail” (your definition) for the longest time.
And I only care about doing the raids, the parses are secondary - its an easy game, yet you cant even clear normal, at least its not verifiable, same with the other guy. Stop embarassing yourself.
Ahem! You really didn’t played WoD do you? Starting from Siege of Orgrimmar there will be extra difficulty in raids called flex raid. Harder than FLR easier than normal. It will pioneer a new system of automatic raid scaling from 10 to 30 ppl. You can invite and bench people at any moment outside of combat and all u killed bosses will scale up or down once certain number of people are inside the raid instance. I WoD they changed raid difficulties:
LFR remained the same clown fiesta, except it didn’t had class tier sets, only general sets that were weaker, same for trinkets.
Flex raids became Normal raids 10-30 ppl
Normal raids became Heroic raids 10-30 ppl
And heroics became Mythic with hard limit of 20ppl and no scaling.
I don’t need to tell you why MoP is dead lol, you have eyes and presumably can open the LFG tab all by yourself.
There is hope.. It’s called stubbing out this rerun of Ion’s bright ideas and going back to work on the base game. The sooner MoP finishes, the sooner you guys can go back to spamming M+ and the rest of us can go back to playing a character in an MMO.
My goal here was to tell you how dumb of an idea WoD Classic would be, who’s going to be hype for that? like 20 dudes that can’t hack Mythic raiding so want an older game version to validate themselves? Retail is literally a better MoP/WoD in every way. I doubt it’s going to happen either, makes 0 sense.
You clearly havent even touched retail for years because its so insanely different to MoP and WoD its crazy.
It looks like a mobile game, the UI is completely different, Dragonriding, M+, “Follower Dungeons”, Delves, world quests etc etc its a completely new game, it has nothing to do with MoP or WoD.
Vanilla is closer to MoP than MoP is to retail. Fact.
Your comment completely disqualifies you as a “classic player”, you are just clueless.
Of course it makes no sense for a close minded 60 year old vanilla boomer.
Clearly you have never heard of Classic Era, a slow and easy to digest game for beginners, with 0 progression or changes.
Again projecting your own incompetence to everybody else. You are 0/16 this tier, you would probably struggle with LFR.
A lot of people would love a WoD on a shorter cadence. Just not diehard Vanilla boomers who have 100 hours a week to do the endless grinds of that game where they can press 1 button to do competitive dps.
Lmao, there’s no competition. It’ll do a lot better than WoD would. “They have an agenda” spoken like a true goober that doesn’t go outside.
It would be a waste of resources is all, at no point other than in Liverstab’s delusions have I seen anyone gagging for WoD. Most people in the classic space are waiting for +, so I’d rather the devs put all their efforts into that instead of trying to cater to an unbelievably small niche audience. Better to call it a day after MoP and merge that with retail. I hope the “leaks” are at least right on this one
I aint a fan of MoP, to much railroad for me. However, arena in MoP was and is still good. But if other enjoy it, let them.
WoD Classic could be an interesting tbh, however!
Garrisons would need some work tho.
Same goes with Trashran.
And a bit more Balancing for arena PvP. you’ll see turbo-comp go nuts the whole expansion, since you’ll be playing with the last patch. Most Ench shamans were 2.1k+