There is plenty of people with high time consuming jobs, even some with night shifts that have more than 3 or 4k score.
We can end it here.
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Retributor : Yup that was part of my suggestions.
As for Vagash’s post, I agree that players with a high RIO score would perform well but that does not mean they would necessarily perform better than anyone who don’t have such a score. On the opposite they would be more likely to quit as someone made a mistake or as they would not get that timer, which is not great of course, but still, it punishes everyone who would have an interest in killing all bosses. To me that’s about playing wow as a game instead of a competition…
Athrosh : As I said I play multiple characters, my shaman is not the one who got better gear. I also mentioned how much Ilvl my best characters got.
Shuwufskill : Some people got a high score and an IRL life, I never said the opposite. I also said RIO score doesn’t mean anything as long as you can buy it or have a team building it up for you. We can end your contribution here.
You are wrong.i was struggling horribly while i was trying to heal as 468 ilvl resto in mythic plus.(at +15) When i get 475 azerite armor gear 3x on my resto spec; i began to perform like 3 times better than my old gameplay.(i became 473ilvl at that point)
gear>gameplay. Therefor youre logic is flawed. Rio score is a result of massive geargap.
Unless he is an extremely unskilled or noob player; you cannot overperform a better geared player in neither pvp or pve.
Btw why would anyone care above +15 level key is beyond me.I’ve never seen that level geared players.Is it because of fame? or rio score points?
Gear and gameplay matter, but team’s score only means team’s score, not individual success. Say I failed while someone did a LOT of mistakes, or I succeeded being carried over : RIO does not take this into account.
Raider io is merely a reflection of a player’s experience converted into a score system. It isn’t really wholly different to going to the Armory and seeing what people have timed. It is just a lot more detailed. When someone applies to my group I can see what their highest key is for the dungeon we are running, how many +15s they have timed (or releveant bracket) etc. Wowprogress runs a similar system and this was used widely before raider io took off. The fact that there is an in game app makes it a lot more userfriendly.
People making unreasonable demands for pug groups is not new. It is the leader’s perogative to set whatever requirements they like. It’s their key, or their group’s key. Sadly ilvl is little indication of anything. We need the right traits on azerite, corruption and essences. None of that is reflected by your ilvl.
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Punyelf : well then I guess my post would be about Raider IO & the armory as well. Personally I do not have that addon and pick anyone who has a decent Ilvl. Unfortunately many people just quit ruining my key or do not know the fights mechanics, which is unfair while I get rejected or insulted because of the RIO score I have on a specific character. See what some people said above about my shaman not being geared enough? Who said I was trying to join +15 with that character? I did not and actually I never tried to join +15 with it, as far as I can remember… People assume one player means one character, using the armory or RIO to see how many keys they could make in time.
I didn’t say you were trying to join a +15.
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I don’t mind Rio as much as the way people use it, if you’re going for really high keys and HM/MM it’s fine to have something to give an idea as to how a player should perform. The problem is when people use it to gatekeep returning players or more casual players from content that doesn’t really require Rio, by that I mean low level keys and normal modes for raids.
Punyelf : I know, I said “some people”, referring to Athrosh’s post in that case.
Nilutsu : problem is RIO or armoury do not show MM+ account wide while people assume one specific character reveals the whole player’s experience
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I’ve met far more stupid players above 2k rio than people around 1.5k. I had a 3k rio guy in a run that tried to do some stupid MDI stuff and ended up wiping the group several times then he left. Like, don’t pull those packs together with pugs? He pulled 2 packs in atal with mobs that fear, one of the packs had 3(!!) mobs that fear. Don’t expect pugs to have the coordination to keep those mobs locked down from fearing. Then he does the same pull again after a wipe and we wipe again and he leaves, lmao.
And after we remove it what? Do you think your runs will be more successful?
Look people will always create something to judge player skills when doing high level content, if they remove io, there will be just a lot less pugs.
There is no option where pugs are run as much and also just as successful, you don;t get to pick and choose the consequences of your actions, or decisions.
ın wotlk ; i managed to off tank boss with blue crafted gear on my first max level week; while we were in naxxramas.People were amazed back then ;how i managed to pull and withstand tanking adds with crafted gear. You cannot do that now. You have to gear up heroics then mythics then mythic plus than raiding then mythic raiding or pvp rateds … the cycle is vicious and feels like 9 to5 work shift.It isnt fun.This elitist,picky and ilvl defending attitude is what pushing away from returning to wow. I know it from firsthand from my friends.
Ryura : Like I said, it is wrong as Blizz is able to make something from the MOP “ordaly”, which displays in BFA, and make it account wide and more accurrate. I knew people would answer “and then what” so I gave the answer already, but I get confused as so many people still ask 
Enumar : True, it is getting so boring, feels like working
But it does show account wide if you link your characters. If I sign to a group on my mage, they’ll see my druid’s score.
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It would be very nice to have a score that is account wide, instead of having a main score and alt.
Afterall, you don;t suddenly lose all your skills by playing another class. Or at least i don’t, sure my main is shaman, but that doesn’t mean i cannot play every other class to a similar degree.
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This is correct. My alts show my main score, providing I have at least 200 score on that alt.
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I have a better solution to this rio mess:
Completely remove mythic+.
It should never have been in the game to begin with, everything about it is toxic to the bottom and up. Also it does nothing but provide a shortcut to mythic raids- quality gear, which serves no purpose other than selfentitlement.
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Elahri : Really? I was persuaded it would only show your main character is you set it up that way? But would it mix all scores, like your druid’s best scores and your mage’s one?
HAH, that’s not gonna happen, m+ was a great addition to the game, and the only thing they should do with it is improve it.
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They can see both scores.