World of Rio

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G’day everyone,

I enjoy playing with many alts but still have an IRL life and a job. So far I could join many MM+ dungeons but right now I am really “bothered” (so to say) by that RIO addon.

People would say it tells how much the player is good and thus be likely to make it in time. They tend to forget these addons only rates them as a team member and from their highest performance with some affixes and on a specific character. I may not be the best player ever (!) but I still know mechanics, have been playing for more than 10 years, have decent gear (463 to 473 right now among my characters) and have passed Ny’alotha NM / few MM bosses.

My point is, Blizzard should do something about that RIO thing because it really kills the game for people like me. I haven’t passed every +10 / +15 dungeons on every alt I got and most of the time I end up with people quitting after a few wipes as “it is a waste of time” or leaving on 1st boss for no other reason than to ruin people’s fun. For two months I could join +15 groups after 5-10 attempts. Right now I tried to join a +15 group on my two strongest characters (ilvl 472 and 473) and got rejected like 40 times. Some even insulted me as I dared (!) to apply or as I rejected a few low-geared characters while they allegedly got a huge score. Right, high RIO score allow people to complete any challenge while their character has greenish owl-thing stuff equiped… It is getting impossible to go for MM+ without completing every dungeon on every character during each season. That leads to PUG with people who do not know mechanics or quit in the middle of it, thus low score and no rewards for that dungeon and so on…

People tend to buy such RIO scores or have a friend building it for them, I even suspect some websites offer to pay real money for playing people’s accounts. Many advertise on wow interface and offer such RIO completion in exchange of tokens or such. I often had full overgeared groups to join my key so they can boost someone. Really pointless to trust this addon as much as people do. Once I saw someone with really high-end gear (and probably RIO score) who did not no the dungeon’s mechanics at all. Besides, RIO addon does not show how many keys someone ruined, leaving the challenge for no reason.

Devs would answer such addons always existed and they cannot do much against these but it is totally WRONG. They came up with something during MOP called “ordaly” (unsure about how it is spelled in English, using the French version), it even shows up right now on BFA as people apply for groups, telling if they completed bronze, silver or gold challenge.

Could they update that thing and make it way more accurate and true than that RIO-thing, showing how many times people failed to BFA MM+ mechanisms or died during the challenge, how much healing or damage they dealt, how many achievements points they got, how many times they quit a MM+ group while bosses were alive and team still full, how many times they interrupted spells or resurrected someone during boss fights and so on? Or at least making something account-wide, rating the player (as ilvl already rates gear) instead of the whole team he was in? There is no need to ban that addon, just to make something more useful and accurrate to make it outdated. Truth is, we got that RIO issue because something was missing to the game and still need to be added by devs.

Another improvement would be about penalties when a MM+ key is not completed. Getting tired of people ruining keys for fun, why should my +15 key become +14 as someone left? Apart from the smart-one saying it would “be a waste of his time” or leaving on 1st boss with a few xenophobic insults, the team did not fail, it is unfair to punish the one who brought his key to pick-up groups. Not my fault if someone decided to leave, making it impossible to go further. I do not see the point with such penalties to the one who shares is key with other players. Never met so many toxic people before that addon became popular.

So tired of paying to play “world of RIO” or to have my applications endlessly rejected because of it, feels like I am appointing for jobs while I get rejected for no reason (yes I do have one in real life, in case you ask). I guess I would not renew my wow subscription as I am not planning to play 22 hours a day or pay someone just to have a nice score making people think I am a great player, would it be true or not.

Gimme Wow back please as I am paying for it.

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I would suggest you don’t circumvent the swear filter. It is a bannable offense and they do ban for it. :slight_smile:

I do agree with your dislike for raider.io, however.

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Oh I thought using asterisks on words was okay, going to edit it then

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Nope, it is not.

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even if raider io didn’t exist you would just be here complaining about how bad your parties always are in M+ anyway.

This is not truely peoples fault tho but rather the broken systems that have been placed into the game, the azerite, essences and corruptions etc.

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The thing is. Yes, you know the mechanics even though your rio score is low. But there’s a ton of people applying to dungeons where they don’t even know how the bosses work (let alone trash).

So I think you need some way to know how experienced a player is. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt when they apply (within some reasonable margin). I also try to look at what the players experience is in the dungeon I’m trying to do, instead of just looking at the score. But I’m pretty sure many people will just go by score.

While I understand that you’re angry I think the alternative would be even worse. Let’s say there was no rio score. People would just go back to do what they did before. Just look at the ilvl of the person, which imo is even worse. You could be a super good, super experienced player on an alt and won’t find any group.

My tip would be to slowly build your rio score up. I’m sure you’ll even learn 1 or 2 things along the way. Just look at your worst completed dungeon and try to improve it. Let’s say you improve it by 2-3 m+ levels every time. You’ll be at a rio score of 2k in no time.

Another tip that’s not for every one. Be social and try to make friends or atleast m+ buddies. You enjoyed playing with someone? Talk to him and ask him to do more (bonus points if he is tank or heal). Alternatively seek out m+ communities. There’s quite some that don’t care about you score and that are willing to teach or help you.

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Rio is a great indicator of how good a player is and how likely you are to successfuly run your key.

I suggest you start making groups for YOUR OWN KEY and invite high rio members. That way you’ll always have a chance of doing a run in record time.

And if some1 leaves, because you made a stupid mistake, that’s right, because you’re the one wasting everyone’s time. So just get better and try again.

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That’s also a great tip, but can sometimes be hard to do if you’re a single dps. It works great though if you have a key for a dungeon that’s considered easy (workshop, ad, junkyard, freehold).

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either you play sub +10 or you dont sleep… playing one alt in bfa is ridiculous playing more than one is a waste of life…

please go through history of blizzard trying to fix something and tell me one time they did it right and not shifted the problem to something else or str8 up worse…

a psycologist would say: its not them, its you!

then uninstall it and do your own keys, if you have so many alts you have a wide range of keys to your choosing…

how do you know if someone was the reason the key was ruined? what does ruined even mean to YOU?

has been discussed many times and every time the outcome was: “the cure will be worse than the disease”…

hahahahaha ye i dont really think anyone at actiblizz cares tbh

which is low iq in my opinion xD

not the players… but …

but OP just said the exact opposite… who do i belive now? xD

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Athrosh : I do not mind about bad teamates are in MM+, it is part of the game. I do mind about not being able to join the challenge while my characters have sufficient gear and while I know mechanics. I am angry at that addon but I think I am quite easy-going during the game as I do not get angry when people make mistakes.

Shadazzle : I do have a few MM+ buddies but they are not up for MM+ all the time. I have not been to such communities and will follow your advice, thanks for sharing.

Blackhat : Rio only indicates how good a character is in a specific team as I said. Rio cannot rate players, that is why so many are paying to have a good score. Besides, it is not right to leave when someone made a mistake and I never said I was the one making these everytime, plus it has no effect on the reason I cannot join groups because of that “score”. So just read my post better and try again? :wink:

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A note on that. You can set up an account on the rio website. You can then select a main character, whose score will then displayed on your alts.

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Vajsh is the perfect example of toxic players we now meet or Wow : you cannot play alts, you play badly and make mistakes, you get no sleep, go see a psychologist, what do words mean to you and uninstall… Geez, stop trolling.

True Shadazzle, I can set up an account and link it to a main character, but I do not have a main one… I enjoy playing many characters as playing only one gets boring to me. I know it would be “optimized” to focus on one but I prefer to play what I like at the moment, which implies not playing the one I played most as it feels good to change :slight_smile:
Besides, I guess it cannot hurt gameplay skills to play many classes and it is more relaxing :slight_smile:
I am keeping in mind your advice about communities!

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I don’t M+ so I don’t really know who bad this particular system is however it is purely player led and player based so if Blizz ‘kill’ off RIO then another system will soon spring up and take it’s place. The issue isn’t RIO it is stats and the playerbase.

This is just a quicker and more efficient way of inspecting everyone at the bank or doing an armoury search on them.

As long as there are more then 3 time the DPS than there are Tanks/Heals this will always be a problem

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People are tend to saying like this ; ‘’ if you have a job or family, dont play mmo’s ‘’
The reason we have a ‘‘rio’’ score system is we have a massive competition; mythic problem.
Raids should be >raids.
M+ > should be >timed runs, and key level shouldnt downgrade if you fail to do in time.Affixes should be 3 instead of 4. Or affix number should scale up to level 15 (1 affix at first 5 levels, 2affix at 10 levels 3 affix at 15 level etc)
Heroic raids should be>20 man raids
And mythic raids should be named as >40 man raids.
And drop levels SHOULD NOT be different from timed runs or raids. ;it just needs to be a better social gaming environment.Today, its just ilevel rush…

This massive gear gap issue is just a barrier that keeps new players and casuals away.its 2020. We need to get over it.
Blizzard also needs to ban or disable this raid boosting thing.Its annoying.People arent inviting you even if you are well enough geared for the spot ; just because they are reserving a spot to sell boost to a person.
Raidfinders should be ‘‘raid finder’’ There shouldnt be lfr loot.It should be a ‘‘normal raid’’

The reason why old players love vanilla wow is ; there are no arena; or mythic raids.Yes loot system is hard, yes everything is tedious and drop rates are awful,there is no loot sharing or loot helping ;but everything is achieveable in theory.There are players who managed to down a boss as 40 firemages. You cannot do fun things such as this on retail wow.

as formyself; i managed to down +15 key .But i couldnt figure out why i couldnt get accepted to groups until i figured out Rioscore. It is ridiculous and feels like a Job CV.

This is a game, People enter game to relax and socialize; not want to wait hours just to get acccepted to a key.

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Add m+ dungeons to group finder.

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True Osangar, that is why I suggested Blizz made up a better system than this RIO-thing. As I said, to me it is definitely not “purely player led and player based”, as it only rates one character at a time (or a main one), while that character is part of a team. See how many people advertise for selling keys? How can it be player based when someone gets a huge rating just running behind the group… But I agree, that issue is more related to damage dealers than to tanks and heals.

Enumar : Exactly, this is why it is killing the game to me, feels like I am appointing for a job while being turned off for no reason.

Retributor : yay I am keeping that in mind though I am afraid I would still face those “RIO rejections”, but it is definitely something I will try. Glad you could give me some advice

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There is no real 100% accurate way to rate how well a player will perform in a key. There’d be too many factors to take into account if you were to track everything including what the affixes were during dungeon X on week Y, how difficult it is compared to dungeon X-Bis on week Y-bis with affixes Z, how his teammates performed also during said dungeon comparatively to him ( Did he get carried? Did he do exceedingly well? Was the tank a an unkillable machine doing big pulls? Was the heal pumping out massive HPS to keep everyone alive? )

And that’s why RIO is the best thing we can get as of now. It rates you fairly based on how many dungeons at which level you completed them. And no matter how you say " But I know how to do good mechanics despite my low RIO! " the fact remains that a player with high RIO is much more likely to perform well in a high key than a player with low RIO.

If RIO wasn’t a thing starting from 15+ you’d litteraly be spinning a roulette everytime you invite anyone with 475+ gear ( Because let’s face it, at this point almost everyone is at least 470+ so gear isn’t a good indicator of someone’s performance ) and it’d be waaaaay worse than it is now.

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This would reduce leavers and toxicity

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but your shaman does not have sufficient gear, your cape is not even rank 15 on there.

Because of this, people are very careful about who they invite, if the cape is not maxed then it is clear the person is not that invested and going to be a liability as the cape alone drastically increases your output on all roles, for example, my rogue is likely providing more output despite being 10 levels lower just because of the corruptions.

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So you do not like armoury feature … ok… Since RIO is just fancier armory. Nothing more, nothing else.

All that info most players base their invites on can be seen on public BLIZZARD website armoury.