World of Warcraft: Systemlands

[Verdill-burning-legion (Verdill)]

@Tahra-earthen-ring

But, why should it be easy?

To have fun mr MyOpinionsAreFacts.

[Shaquonda-runetotem]

After seeing the stream I can say I’m pretty hyped for all these new systems. Now they need to fix some specs and I’m convinced it’s gonna be a banger expac

[Ocean-amanthul]

@Sholah-hyjal

Torghast received almost only positive feedback despite the issues it had

Ok then I give you some negative feedback to it:
It might be “fun” for the first 5 times you run it, then it will be dry and boring as island expeditions and still a little more fun than visions just because there are less annoying mechanics.
How do you like to run torghast for 2 years? Don’t you think this will get incredible boring?
I don’t see much value in easy mode (as it looks like) content. At the moment it also looks like if you get lucky the first 2 floors you just steamroll through rest without even paying attention to your screen.

Thorgast is so much fun that all alpha streamers already stopped streaming weeks ago. You see if something would be incredible fun and also fun to watch, people not stop

[Darklight-sylvanas (Darklight)]

@Plamcia-draenor

I just want to be adventurer in Azeroth, killing dragons and looking for legendary sword.

Bang on the money.

I don’t mind progression systems per se (they’re to be expected) but too many blurs the line between what is fun, and what is a chore.

It stops being about logging on, killing a raid boss with a group of friends, getting cool loot when you have to progress 20 different things simultaneously in order to do just that.

[Tahra-earthen-ring (Tahra)]

@Chapchap-pozzo-delleternità

Just because they try to force their ideals of how a rpg is doesn’t mean that it’s a good choice or that it’s the right thing to do.

It’s also not a bad choice or the wrong thing to do.
There’s not just one side to this issue.

[Sholah-hyjal]

@Ocean-amanthul

How do you like to run torghast for 2 years? Don’t you think this will get incredible boring?

Afaik they plan to add more rooms / mobs / powers / themes / affixes in Thorgast to keep things somewhat fresh.

Dunno how effective it’ll be but at the very least there’s one thing i’m fairly confident about :

With the removal of keys it should be back to the infinite mode only, and you’ll be more rewarded for going further into the tower. Depends on how they balance it but since you’re not expected to clear the tower you’ll get to the challenging part at some point.

With the random layout and the powers you should in theory have a different experience everytime. Whil it’ll eventually feel familiar, since your abilities are upgraded by the powers it shouldn’t feel the same way every time you run it.

And that’s also a great reason to play alts as they too will have a different experience.

So it should be neither easy or repetitive as IE or as boring as visions. Can’t say much more tho, I’m not a tester and neither are you

@Ocean-amanthul

Thorgast is so much fun that all alpha streamers already stopped streaming weeks ago. You see if something would be incredible fun and also fun to watch, people not stop

You mean the very same streamers that described it as one of the best content ever released by blizzard and which played it for hours non top everyday ? Sounds successful enough

[Addiez-chromaggus (Addiez)]

I think a lot of people get upset becasue RPG means Role Playing Game, which is what it says. You are acting out a specific role regardless of how you appear/what you actually are.

In Blizzard mind Role Playing Game should mean you have to tailor your character entirely to that experience so you are no longer just playing the part, you are part which has vital problems arise if the game isn’t just balanced.

I’m not happy with the route blizzard are taking and i can see a lot of people are also unhappy. I don’t see Shadow Lands being successful at this point without drastic change to priorities

[Tahra-earthen-ring (Tahra)]

@Addiez-chromaggus

I’m not happy with the route blizzard are taking and i can see a lot of people are also unhappy. I don’t see Shadow Lands being successful at this point without drastic change to priorities

If I’m being 100% honest; I’m getting less hyped for this expansion as time goes on. There’s a few reasons for this:

• First of all there’s the location; the Shadowlands. I’m more into ‘normal’ locations. I want to feel like my character is exploring a real place. I just can’t get that immersed into ‘weird’ locations. All the different ‘death’ themes also just don’t really appeal to me.

• They are starting to put more ‘other games’ into this mmorpg. And I don’t like it. I’m playing an mmorpg because I want to play an mmorpg. I don’t want to play a roguelike (Torghast). I don’t want to play autochess (mission table). Now, in the case of some of these (the covenant minigames), it’s fine because they’re basically optional. But in the case of Torghast; yeah I will HAVE to do it. I don’t want to. I really don’t. I’m already dreading it.

• This very much feels like a ‘clean up our mess’ type of expansion. They’re allowing for a story mechanic (passage of time being different in the Shadowlands) to set themselves up for possible big changes. This is fine, because I’d actually be psyched about playing in a revamped Azeroth (which is what I hope will happen). But in the meantime, it just feels like I’m wasting my time in a place I don’t really want to be.

• They’re changing things that some vocal parts of the playerbase wanted, but I didn’t. I’m seeing things that I liked being taken away left and right. And that’s not fun.

I’m trying to keep an open mind and be positive, but it’s getting harder day by day. I’m not going to devolve into the negative doomsayers you see in this thread for instance, because I truly believe their fears are unfounded.

But yes… unfortunately there seem to be several things that are ‘off’ about Shadowlands.

[Janiah-doomhammer]

Didn’t feel like there was a lot. Mainly you need your weekly torghast run for your legendary and work on soulbinds, which seem less complex than artifact weapons + netherlight crucible combined. There’s some more stuff with covenants which seem to unlock utility and there will be cosmetics to get.

Didn’t get the impression that it’s much different from Legion. Maybe if you’re comparing to Classic or something but hey, Classic is available to you if that’s the level of systems you want.

[Ocean-amanthul]

@Sholah-hyjal

You mean the very same streamers that described it as one of the best content ever released by blizzard and which played it for hours non top everyday ? Sounds successful enough

yes the very streamers that create content for blizzard and are therefore more or less on their payroll.
Don’t bite the hand that feeds you.

If they give me alpha to stream the content, do you really think I would label all the garbage they create as what it is? (garbage)
They played it non stop and now they completely stopped, which makes my initial statement even more accurate. Fun at first and after 1-2 weeks it gets very stale as expected. This is usual with a lot of content but if they force you to do it for 2 years it will be trash.
Remember Island expeditions?

[Lilîith-silvermoon]

@Nezarah-argent-dawn

I fear that many of these systems will be mandatory to progression.

Why can’t they just be optional activities on the side to mix with PvE/PvP endgame?

I am hoping that the live-stream (which btw, obviously was a pre-recorded scripted video) is a dumping of ideas on the community and that not all of these systems will make it to release.

But I think I am being naive.

because it wouldnt raise their MAU and for varius in game systems.

they dont care if you enjoy it - as log as you tic a box in their database they are happy

[Weffi-kilrogg]

I think I rather have lots of systems as the op says, to use, than having it like it was in classic, where once you got to max level, you sat there doing nothing whit no real reason to do much else than get some gear, and once you came to the part where you had the gear you could get, you could just sit arround doing nothing.

SL looks much better, where you do not run out of stuff to do, and improve on at all, question offcours is, is there to much, how long will it take. But for the moment it looks like it is way better than how both Legion and BFA systems work.

[Aloy-steamwheedle-cartel]

@Popgligor-kazzak

human priests disagree

you probably have read in forums and min-max sites that dwarf priest is the way to go, yet if you have played the game, guilds are full of human and night elf priests.

[Sholah-hyjal]

@Ocean-amanthul

If they give me alpha to stream the content, do you really think I would label all the garbage they create as what it is?

Just your bias talking here tho.

How many times did the so called streamers called SL dead on arrival because of the “horrible” covenant system and the balance nightmare it’ll cause ?

And I hope you didn’t seriously believe that only what you think about the content is right and that any other opinion is a lie to get more attention.

At least that’s how it feels reading your post, “I know the truth but they are all lying to protect Blizz, But I know better than to listen to them !”