well it’s too, but i meant more in “reflection of real world” thing, twisting nether is just chaotic evil demon dimension
No, but I could say for example that I’m against the titans and elune, and I would like to help the primalists with the elements undo titan order. In the game this is “obviously portrayed evil” as of the current portrayal in-game. However, in the lore it’s not so obvious. There you see the disconnect between the quest/game designers and their narrative team. For example I’d love to have chosen to either join the titan keepers or the Primalists
there are amirdrassil in dream and amirdrassil in azeroth
we have representative of this kind of philosophy on our team - vyranoth, it’s pointed out that fyrakk is just plainly insane
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Definitely. Their lore writing team is doing a decent job, but I’m kinda complaining a bit about the quest designers and the team, whose job it is to integrate the lore in-game. I feel like they do some things well, like the quest with the titan keepers, which is amazing, but they fail other things too, such as creating a warcraft vibe and communicating the story.
I don’t think many players understood that the primalists aren’t the bad guys.
Ehm… Only after the raid and the upcomming patch. Untill then its only in the dream.
i meant what’s happening in 10.2.5.
Oh i now understand what you mean. Isn’t it implied that if fyrakk would manage to succeed the whole dream would burn, so every possible gateway that exists on azeroth start to go bonkers too? it’s difficult to measure because dream is not exactly a static place with defined shape.
i don’t think that they are shown as “not bad guys”, will their actions be justified or not we’ll see only after titans will spill the beans about their grand scheme, because primalists themselves never explained specifics on why titans order is bad.
To be honest i don’t see right now how titan’s order can be bad for current mortals, i understand that for dragons many of their kin were forcefully transformed into obedient servants and elementals lost their dominance, but most mortals don’t even remember times of black empire and even before it
In terms to us they are. They see everything that has been touched or formed by the titans as a form of corruption and thats us… i think.
I know that Elfs came from Dark trolls and became elfs because the well of eternity and that was created from a Titan when they ripped an old god from Azeroth.
Humans came from constructs that the titans made? Something something old god curse of flesh and baam… a HUMAN!
Primalists sees most mortals as something impure. They will use mortals that side with them fo achieve their goals sure, but thats mainly just and means to an end.
The thing is, the more you read about the lore, the more you realize that the titans don’t have as much power as they wanna make us believe in chronicles, and the Void/Black Empire is not necessarily the bad actor here. Even with Elune, what sort of goddess is she, that she has one race as her favourites, and sent them to her sister in ardenweald through the maw. It’s becoming more and more clear that the titans have their own agenda, but in the game, the primalists are portrayed as this obvious evil, that vyranoth had to abandon.
To sum it up: In the lore, it’s very clear currently that the titans are not our friends, and I think it will evolve towards a situation, where we fight the titans.
it’s on par with cosmic forces beyond comperhension to be “benevolent” in their perverted sense but utterly destructive and horrifying for mortals.
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Yes, and the same goes for titans as well. Trust me, you don’t wanna be ordered in the purest sense. The reason we don’t serve the titans anymore is yogg’saron btw. Thanks to this “evil” we are free in the game.
It’s the same with orcs and the everbloom on draenor. The Gronn were created by aggramar to defy nature. When they sacrificed themselves, the everbloom, i.e. the Life, slowly changed them and they became more and more nature-aligned, but also smarter and free, because they aren’t just driven by aggramar’s mission anymore. In chronicles they say they “devolved” to ogron, ogres, orcs, but they didn’t just “devolve”. They actually evolved and became superior thanks to companionship and wit. That doesn’t mean though that the everbloom is good. In essence, the everbloom is also horrific and it would consume the planet.
Ive not read any book or the like. All ive heard so far that the chronicles are written from a titans pov and that we dont really know all that much about them and some vague line from blizzcon “are they really what we think they are”.
Do you have an example to go by?
As far as i know atm, we wouldnt exist without them.
They are protecting their own by protecting Azeroth.
We dont know what the end goal of the old gods are either but they are much into mindcontroll and/or driving ppl insane so ill pass on siding with them.
Read my text again, and you realize the essence of what I wanna say. There are many actual hints in the story, but in my text above you should get the general idea of why the titans are not as friendly as you think
i was always under assumption that originally draenor was life-dominant in the most twisted way, than aggramar added orded and all things started sorting out by primal aspects mixing together, worlds that feel like hellscape are those who have only 1 primal aspect presented, there are “crystalized” worlds where the only dominant power is light, hellscapes where elemental power is unchecked (azeroth was something like this), worlds consumed by void, fel worlds, e.t.c.
And only worlds that have flourising life have multiple number of cosmic forces presented with no dominant one
Yes you got it. That’s my point. On azeroth, the people would not have free will and some other traits without the void, but if only the void was there, it would consume everything. Keep in mind, all living on azeroth are under influence of a “curse” from titan-p.o.v. by the void
Ok you edited the text while i typed so here goes.
Because we were not created with sentience in mind but to serve Azeroth untill her awekening. However they didnt force the Dark trolls or later on the Night elfs into anything. Nor did they activly seek to destroy or change us back after they noticed our change.
The Ulduar system that would kill everything if it sensed old god corruption was an automated system.
The thing is that the titans are obsessed with forcing structure and order, even if it means that they kill the original inhabitants of a planet. They betray eachother and are vulnerable to being corrupted. They mainly try to serve themselves and what they’ve built on azeroth is purely done to assist the world soul azeroth until her awakening as a titan. For example they have imprisoned the elemental lords instead of letting them have access to spirit, so they become more balanced like elementals on draenor
There are like 10 titans alive total, one was destroyed before it was born when Sergeras found one that was being corrupted by the old gods.
The other titans later found Azeroth that was going through the same thing so they set some plans in motion after they got rid/imprissoned the old gods the best they could with the Keepers (Odyn, Loken Tyr etc) and constructs (us) etc.
Yes their end goal seems to be the titan rather then us, why wouldnt it be tho? Their end goal has inderectly served us more then harmed us no matter how you slice it.
The end goal of old gods and primals would directly harm us. Thats how i see it.
Please read again about what I said with the void giving us free will, because you don’t seem to get it. There is no moral balance account. If the titans could order us again, they would, just like the light tried to purge illidan against his will.
That’s why I complain about the narrative line devolving currently to “Azerothians vs everyone else”, because I think it should stay morally grey, and I don’t like what they are doing with amirdrassil and cross faction.
Ive seen nothing about that other then the keeper Odyn doing things that way. Where did you get this from? That they did something like it to the dragons well over 10k years ago is akin to you changing your morals from what it was 10ish years ago.
Because we like to kill stuff. It’s doesn’t matter what kind of threat it is, killing is killing. Period. Champions of Azeroth always kill!