WOTLK 2v2 giving titles and mounts?

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So instead of doing more reasonable change that is to make 5v5 not give titles or mounts, they decided its good idea to change wotlk so 2v2 do give mounts and titles (and yes every1 on the planet knows s5-s6 in old wotlk gave titles in 2v2, but this client is based on last patch and the change was introduced in s7 for a reason and its a very good reason).

Arena is meant to be played 3v3, the perfect format, only noobs and bads want to play 2s or 5s in WOTLK over 3s, this change will lead to same dillution of player base that is already not big enough, pvp in classic TBC atm is a clown fiesta of dodgers and snipers and dead queues for 3s and 5s, and stack andys in 5s bracket (unless you are a duelist and lower player).

“Nowadays, rather than try to make all classes equally capable in all brackets, we want to preserve the existing class balance and celebrate the unique play style for the classes that perform well in each bracket.”

Spoken like a true clueless employee of a clueless indie company that never stepped into the arena in their life. 1200rated blizzard dogs hire some1 with at least half a brain to make these descisions.

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This.

due to popular demand, we’re going to preserve them in Wrath Classic.

There has not been a “popular demand” for 2v2 Gladiator in S7 & S8. There have been a few people asking for it, just as there have been a few people asking for it NOT to be implemented.

This is a gamebreaker for me. S7 and S8 was all about 3v3, with this change 3v3 will be about as dead as it was in TBC. This is NOT what end of WotLK was like.

it was because 2v2 was difficult to balance

Partly, and also because it’s boring and simplistic - and 3v3 is a much better format. Are you going to change the balance? No? Then don’t change the rewards.

Nowadays, rather than try to make all classes equally capable in all brackets, we want to preserve the existing class balance and celebrate the unique play style for the classes that perform well in each bracket.

What you actually mean is: We want everyone to play 2v2, despite 2v2 not being considered a serious bracket at all in S7 and S8.

If we wanted to play a 2v2 simulator that is nothing like how the end of WotLK actually was we’d play private servers (because they do not have a large enough population to sustain 3v3).

WotLK Classic was the only chance at getting real arenas again (3v3) in this expansion, like they were in WotLK, and you’re defecating all over that with this change.

Blizzard, revert your ideas.

PS:

Related to this, we also plan to make any trinkets with both Normal and Heroic versions (such as Death’s Verdict) share a Unique-Equip category, so that you can’t have both versions of the same trinket equipped at the same time. While it was originally possible to do this, it was never intended, and motivated us to create the Unique-Equipped categories back then. Prior to creating the Unique-Equipped categories, we could only prevent characters from wearing two copies of the exact same item.

This is also an awful change. People were stacking double Solace in WotLK (etc) - it was a major part of the meta and how the PvP worked. Stop destroying the expansion with your awful #SomeChanges ideas.

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2v2 and 3v3 should give titles in all seasons.
2v2 is the most popular bracket, doesnt make sense not give titles.
2v2 is as imbalance as 3v3, this has been a thing in all this years on retail.
5v5 imo doesn’t make too much sense give titles but I don’t mind if they keep that.
Just let the people play the bracket they enjoy the most and be rewarded for that.

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Sounds to me like 3v3 andies are upset that 2v2 chad enjoyers get to play for something in Wrath. Don’t worry, you’ll still find matches queueing for 3v3 :slight_smile:

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Imagine being mad about this.

Yes let’s be mad and write a wall of text about everything we disagree on.

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This is nosense, 2v2 is not most popular bracket, it is in TBC, for any1 who played wotlk and every expansion after knows that 3v3 is 10 times more popular than 2v2.

3v3 is also alot more balanced, and this meme about ppl playing what they “enjoy” the most and be rewarded for it, if you don’t really understand how game works , maybe because you are a low rated player, this game is played following a script, this script is such that balance of the game dictates a set of conditions that allows you to win the game (this is the reason meta comps exsist and you cant play whatever you want if u wanna do good), in 2v2 bracket there are few setups that have unbeatable script, this is very noticible in TBC as well where 90% of top teams have a rogue in them, double rogue teams have a script that is countered maybe by 1 comp in entire game. And this is entire problem of the bracket and why 3v3 is the perfect format, 5v5 is a mess , 2v2 is too simple and script is over 80% of what decides the winner of game and not players themselves.

So no ppl dont play what they “enjoy”, they play whatever is FOTM and whatever is the easy way out (aka TBC double rogue teams) , and why would you support a competitive ladder bracket that gives same rewards to people who play a more FAIR and more BALANCED (i didnt say completely balanced) bracket, this goes for 5v5 and its rewards, where only desperate noobs play the bracket in hopes they get in game rewards because they are too bad at the game to get it in a most competitive bracket, and this most competitive bracket in wotlk and every expansion afterwards is 3v3, requires most skill and is MOST balanced out of the 3.

It is an insult to every player that wins a reward of any kind even challenger in 3s, that some1 who is far far worse than him gets the same from 2v2 because of unfair balance that is unavoidable, what is avoidable is giving those rewards and promoting a single MOST fair and MOST balanced bracket by it being the only source of any rewards.

There is a huge issue on rank1 MMR where the game is just dead, even in 2v2 TBC, at prime time there are maybe 2 teams queueing normally and every1 else is trying to snipe those 2 teams. Splitting community will result into even worse state than it is now, There NEEDS to be only 1 bracket that gives rewards for all these reasons.
It is a competitive game , not a participation trophy game.

2v2 players are and have always been lesser players, all these babies being happy about 2v2 / 5v5 titles are sad noobs who need their participation trophy and are probably same people who would gladly turn on a map hack/wall hack in csgo to win the game cuz they need all the help they can get.

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I play since original TBC and 2v2 even without rewards is in fact the most played bracket by far in every expansion. There was websites confirming that and if u check wow streams on twitch most ppl play 2s.

3v3 is so balanced that rogue+mage+X is king every meta.
You for sure dont understand how the game works to make stupid statements like this. That so called “script” u talk about also exists in 3s.
In TBC I play every bracket at gladiator level (3s is where I’m most successful) so that low lvl IQ argument of yours doesnt work on me.

That happens in every bracket, hello?!
Well, I’m not gonna waste more time with a guy like you. Byebye.

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Maybe you got room temperature IQ , no1 said 3v3 is SO balanced i even caps locked the key word that is MOST balanced, there is not a SINGLE website that will show 2v2 in any expansion after wotlk is most popular bracket, you seriously have room temperature IQ to allow yourself a statement like that.

And now i see why some1 like you would like titles in more brackets, you play a noob bracket that is 3v3 in tbc and i see 5v5 as well in season 3 (thats sad), you have milion games in 2s and are barely in glad range, basically you are a noob who has no chance of ever getting a rank1 so you need every possible meme way to try sqeeuze one in, thank you for proving my point.

I actually just read the part where u said “if you check most streams they are playing 2s”
it is 12PM in Europe server time , streamers that play games all day are playing 2s because every1 that has a brain cell knows that 3v3 is played during the prime time, and no1 sane cares about 2s rating and those insane are queueing 2s during the day vs eachother cuz they play wow 16 hours a day and are waiting for 3v3 queues to start.
Using twitch streams as some kind of evidence that 2v2 is more popular than 3v3 , seriously go see a doctor.

And yes FOTMing happens in every bracket, don’t know where i said otherwise, i was making fun of your low iq statement that ppl play what they enjoy the most, hello?!

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Haha, you talk about ratings and dont even post with your main, cmon dude.

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Nice i am glad you accepted that you don’t rly have any argument to counter mine, except some desperate attempt to change subject to my arena xp, i got over 15 rank1 titles combined in multiple classes across expansions since wotlk if you have to know, not that would change reality about anything i said, im sorry little gladiator you are a noob and you need to get over it, once you get at least a single rank1 maybe we can talk on even ground about rating and arena script. First learn the script yourself.

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Hahahahah, thanks for the laughs.
You sold that account right? Thats why u dont post with it, I see.

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and i thank you for another desperate reply as well :smiley:

hey maybe if u do like 1k games in 5s u might get rank1 , no sense in doing another 2s game from what i see. 400 games and only 17 cr above glad cutoff yikes

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And duels are even more popular, should it also give titles?

While we’re making these changes, why not make 10 man raids give the same loot as 25 man? It’s by far more popular.

Of course it makes a lot of sense to not give Gladiator rewards in 2v2, as it completely kills the bracket that is actually balanced (at least in comparison).

Moreover, 3v3 was the serious bracket in WotLK S7 & S8 - as defined by Blizzard at the time. If we’re remaking WotLK then why are we changing it to where arena will be nothing like what it was in WotLK?

Horrible ideas and horrible decisions.

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