I’d bring whatever because the content’s easy when you are pushing T4 BIS and I’d rather just get on with it than wait more minutes because we’ve got to bring a warlock/mage/hunter combo or whatever.
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First off I was talking about Feral having to offtank on a boss, as an example Magtheridon. I was not talking purely about swapping gear. You bring up a fight with a ton of cleave like the High King. Most TBC fights wont have cleave at all, let alone that lvl of cleave. Being ahead on 1 fight =/= overall more dmg. Prot Warriors in dps gear doing 1k dmg is nice. Ferals in dps gear are doing 1.5-7k at times on single target fights.
So to sum it up. On fights where you need two tanks, but not all the time and you need to go in tanking gear the Feral will outdps any War or Pala. And on fights where you need one tank only, again the Feral in dps gear will win over Prot Warriors in dps gear. It wont even be close on single target. If there is a ton of aoe stuff ? sure, I can see the Warrior winning, Feral does not have any cleave.
Actually if you look at the comparable “Warden” role parses on WCL they are just barely ahead of Prot dps (aka Gladiator). It’s hard to compare dedicated Feral dps getting optimal group setups (aka the 3 hunters + Enh shaman group) with the limited amount of Prot Warriors that are actually playing in DPS to begin with, most of which get less than ideal group comps.
I think if you gave a geared Prot Warrior in such a scenario an optimal group setup and had more players dedicated to playing that role (thus raising how many skilled players are attempting it) you’d see the upper ceiling rise a lot. I say that as I’ve been in the top 5 all-star for Prot dps on WCL for about 5 weeks (offtanking Kara), and I’ve remained there even tho I’ve not played Prot in raids for a month, so few Prot Warriors are actually even attempting or aware of this that we’re barely seeing what it’s capable of.
A dedicated Feral dps will outdps a DPS Prot Warrior under most circumstances on single target (recklessness has the potential to sway that), and the 5% crit is generally preferred (in particular for hunter groups) so long as you have Sunder covered, but like I said it’s completely wrong to say a Prot Warrior cannot dps and it’s silly to assume Prot Warriors are going to be benched in anything other than the most hardcore guild, in particular because defensively and CD wise they are the strongest.
There is a lot of unexplored potential with Prot Warrior that the absolute vast majority of the playerbase knows nothing about. Prot Warriors not main-tanking in raids should be equipping a Fury set, not being a waste of a raid spot. And if they do that well they can bring a lot of dps, while buffing/debuffing.
No ofc not. Prot Warriors are amazing tanks. And only the speed runners are going to care. Id take any of the 3 tanks and would be happy in general.
I was talking mainly on fights where single target is key, like… Gruul I guess ? for a lack of a better fight atm. Check the logs, on 95% logs Glad Warriors are doing 513 dps, where as the dedicated Feral dps is doing 1.3k. Now sure, its not all cut and dry, I did not check what gear the Warr had, nor grp. Im sure more is possible. But I personally dont see a Prot Warr in any kind of gear being even close to a Feral dps. There is really no spec difference, just gear.
And as far as I know, later on in BT Feral Druids overtake heavily all other tanks as far as agro goes, due to insane high AP and crit.
Also, if you look at the max, yes, the Glad War is doing 1.3k, which is amazing, but then the Feral is doing 2k. And im sure both hard good rng and that for both of them the grps were optimally set, which wont be the case for the vast majority of players.
i am a geared prot pala, and i never had issues bringing a feral in my groups.
they do decent single target, and they have SOME OF THE BEST utility in the game, being able to compensate for almost any mistake that would usually wipe the group.
a good feral is worth his weight in gold
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There is no doubt on single target in most cases Feral does more dps, but we’ve not got close to what a good Gladiator Warrior can do yet. I’d love to give it a go, but I’m not my guilds Prot tank (I play Fury) and they wouldn’t indulge me that opportunity (optimal group) even if I was.
Prot definitely has some niche potentials with Recklessness though, particularly if there is cleave to be done. But it’s also definitely a long way behind Fury or a skillfully played (and properly buffed) Arms. Anyway the point I was making is, Prot can do good dps in a similar role to a Feral tank going cat. And I also think there is some undiscovered potential for maximising Protection threat (which we are starting to see in some logs, but not widespread).
Feral will shine in WOTLK, no worries about that. Mjolnir + Deathbringer + Hysteria from Bloodd DK, no one can compete with you on single target damage, DoT tick faster with hast and ignore armor, and you can offtank very well with good AoE aggro with Berserk (your mangle hit 3 target). Just wait 2 years 
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Yes definitely I take some feral dps , I personally check on the character gear though to see what I am inviting and what i can reasonably except but otherwise people play what and how they want.
I won’t refuse someone because he/she is a hunter , a war a dps pala , a rogue or a feral but the way they play after is what’s important.
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if wotlk get released with lastest patch? ignore armor on gear won’t exist.
also Rogues in wotlk was topping single target dps over ferals.
If the player doesn’t annoy me I don’t see why not.
Unfortunately for you this is being done by a big portion of the community that has no clue why they play the meta and do so just because “someone said so” or “because the guide said so” without even realising they play on such a low level where it has no impact whatsoever for their progression
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They see low meters, especially because feral has no AoE outside of Hurricane. Also keep in mind that Bear is giving same buffs in raids and Moonkin does even more with his raid buffs and utility. Kitty has low to no space in TBC raids and will stay not most welcomed playstyle in hetouc dungeons.
Wolves have fangs but I don’t expect you to know.
Please I don’t wanna see another 40+ yo man going full tryhard with the bought staff and the lvl 40 helm in a 20 yo video game.
3.3.5 does have armor penetration.
Why would you want WOTLK in a Cata prepatch wrapping?
Good that there will be no WotLk classic. Who wants to play on servers that are ruled over by ret pallies and DKs?
Like, why would you split the dwindling classic playerbase even further? Then just make every single expac there was as classic version so everyone can go to where his spec was fotm…
TBC was already a mistake but I can see why they did it, base classic just feels a little stale, empty and unengaging. TBC fixed most vanilla problems but there is no need to progress into the thing that was the beginning of the end…
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Right now I would, because it takes like 15-20 min to get 1 dps.
my bad, memory failed me!
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Wotlk classic will be way more popular than TBC, Classic is still somewhat alive and is getting fresh servers, but TBC will completely die off.
Nothing you said has changed the fact that
and here i was thinking classic was all about the experience and the community and blah blah blah…
Sounds like its just as bad as retail
EDIT - worst actually because at least non meta can do dungeons in retail.