Would you want Sylvanas to return

…Now that we know that Afrasiabi ruined her

I always stood behind my Queen. Her screaming “For the horde” and fighting for and to save the horde both during the broken shore and then the battle of Lordaeron

I always just wanted her to remain as a horde character. I thought it was incredibly Interesting to have her on our side, on top of that the horde is currently lacking in strong characters You really can’t compare Baine and Lillian to characters such as Tyrande, Thrall and Sylvanas

Now that we know that Afrasiabi intentionally ruined her, it is clear that this and the shadowlands was never the path she was supposed to take to begin with. I mean you cannot undo the burning of Teldrassil but I want my Queen back.

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How about her screaming “the horde means nothing”? Best moment of her life to be honest

I want her to return yes - in the trash pile from whence she comes

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It’s character assassination

“Do not let da horde die dis day”. If it was always planned she would have

Secondly, There were justifications for the burning I.e the alliance assassinating the goblin miners at Silithus aswell as Saurfang failing to kill Malfurion ruining her plans for breaking the night elves’ spirit so she had to burn it. Did Y’all forget Genn almost committing regicide in Stormheim or Varian declaring to kill the horde in Undercity

Turned out she was lying the entire time. A joke.

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Cannot say that Afrasiabi ruined her, Danuser delivered the killing blow more like it.

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To be honest she should have died after the Lich King did at the end of WotLK, everything else has just been…bland, but even by then, the damage had been done. “She’s hawt!” Umm, no, by definition she is not, she is a walking corpse. At best the exterior is room temperature and it just gets worse from there, but it is always really, really, really creepy when people say they find her sexy, and pray Gods they never find work in an Undertakers or Morgue. It’s like…where else in the world would it be considered ‘normal’ to say “Yeah, I’d totally do the ‘no pants dance’ with (Insert Supermodel of choice here) if they were dead?”

That’s not normal.

She then went all Pantomime villain,

The Burning of Teldrassil was hilariously bad writing. Everybody knew her plan was to invade and occupy Teldrassil, heck, even Tyrande knew it, and tells the Alliance player character to make the Occupation as ‘tolerable as possible’ and then one dying elf gives her a reminder of what she was (Bear in mind Sylvanas had already ordered the boats readied to invade Teldrassil in that very same Cutscene, and Sylvanas wigs out.)

I’m sorry Sylvie, what was that? You wig out because an Elf said something to you that you haven’t shut up banging on about to the Horde hero ever since Cata? And this? This is what sends you over the edge? How old are you? You’re supposed to be some genius tactician who is playing 4d chess (She really isn’t, she’s tactically as gifted as a stunned kitten) This is Steve Danuser’s doing, not Afrasiabi’s by this point, he even got a new model for Nathanos so he too, like his internet waifu can look nothing like a normal Forsaken. Whoever the new Forsaken leader is, and it is not Calia, or Lilian, they better actually -look- like a Forsaken this time, or they might as well just scratch the whole idea of the Forsaken altogether, if their leadership contest is a beauty pageant.

Oh, and before that even, way before that, it was always subtly implied that she had -some- feelings for Nathanos, but she was the one remaining hope, the flickering ember of hope that not all the Windrunner’s were trailer trash.

I mean look at it. Alleria and Turalyon. Ok, we get it, you wanted to do an Aragorn and Arwen copy from Lord of the Rings. Lame, but fair enough. Then the really dodgy one, You see there were only two Windrunner sisters in lore originally, Vereesa never existed. So not only did Knaak write Vereesa into existence, despite her not existing, just so -his- self insert could have a hawt Elven chick , but they then went “Oh, and they have -two- children” (Because one upmanship is cool) and even worse than that, when Rhonin and Vereesa set off on their escapades, doing the wild thing during said time, the only reason Vereesa is not fighting in the Second War, is because she is too young to start Farstrider training. So Not Yet Adult
Yeah…let that settle in. Knaak wrote a whole Lolita scenario, where his character got a minor pregnant. Wow…

At this point Sylvanas is our only hope, surely the rumours about her and Nathanos will never be confirmed, surely they wouldn’t go three for three and do a retread of a retread of a retread.

Then out comes ‘Dark Mirror’ written by…Shock Horror, Steve Danuser. In it, we discover the real reason why Lor’themar and the other Ranger higher ups don’t like Nathanos. Because unlike them, he never earned his rank, he was just ‘with’ the Boss. Even then, he can’t hack it, and runs off home to sulk, and Sylvanas deserts her post to come and persuade him to come back, we then learn, from the Thas’dorah Artefact knowledge in Legion, that -Sylvanas- herself didn’t earn her rank either. So all three Windrunner sisters have a human kink. It is incredibly rare that three siblings in the same family have a thing for having relations with a different -Species- In fact, no, it’s just stupid. That Novella hammered the nail home in the coffin of any credibility either character had.

Then Sylvanas Forsakes the Forsaken at the gates of Orgrimmar, you know things are bad when even your own standard bearer looks at you and gives you a “You wot?” squint.

Then this is the best, “Life is a Prison, and I will set us Free”
Then runs off in cahoots with a guy called The Jailor.
For someone supposedly smart, she is as thick as two short planks. Did they not have a dictionary in the Windrunner household? She does realise the correlation between Jailers and Prisons, doesn’t she? I mean she can’t be that stupid, surely?

Apparently she can.

Now they want her to be Kerrigan 2.0? Gimme a break.

Let’s not forget the hilarity that was Blizzard releasing a shot of Teldrassil burning.
“You’ll never guess who burns it!”
Playerbase “It’s Sylvanas isn’t it?”
"Hah, you think it is Sylvanas, but -is it-?
Playerbase “Yes, it is it’s Sylvanas isn’t it?”
“Ahh, but she is playing games at a higher level, she is very clever”
Playerbase “She still burns Teldrassil though doesn’t she?”
“You’ll have to wait and see, all will be revealed”

Sylvanas burns Teldrassil.

“You see! You see how clever it was, nobody saw -that- coming”
Playerbase “No, Blizz, -everyone- saw that coming…”
“But it was a surprise? No one could have known Sylvanas would burn the world tree! aren’t we clever?”
Playerbase “The Only surprise here you buffoons, is that any of you are allowed to write anything of more complexity than a book for a three year old”

Sylvanas is an embarrassment of a character, and she needs to either be destroyed, or left behind in the Shadowlands, she has no more story, no one will trust her again, she is just a weakly written character kept in existence by one crazed Dev’s belief that one day she will be real and notice him, and fanservice, let her at least be written out with dignity, instead of the embarrassment she has become…

Glad to get that off my chest…

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WoW’s lore has become so extremely bad in Shadowlands that I just skip every cinematic/cut-scene and don’t bother reading any of the quest dialog.

17 years ago I read WoW’s quest descriptions and I liked most of them. But nowadays, holy :poop: it’s bad, I’m not going to waste my time trying to get invested in it. Whoever’s responsible for writing Shadowlands’ lore needs to go.

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We need a Dallas moment with Bobby in the shower, it was all just a dream!

All this time we’ve been under the influence of N’Zoth, none of it was real!

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Jokes on them! I am blind!

Good thing they got these forums in braille so I can read what really happened.

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Was discussing this the other night with a friend.

I don’t really care. With the whole burning of the tree thing she went from a character with a bit of depth and colour to a Mike Myers like caricature of Dr Evil with a white cat on her lap and pinky ring.
Completely one dimensional etc, but whats done is done. Let it go and move on.

And I’m not sure Afrisabi “intentionally” ruined her (though I haven’t watched any of the clickbait videos nerding over it). Didn’t he just think it was a good idea and overrule the sane people in the room?

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personally I want her but at this point due to fears of for not returning I wont be buying next expansion and stick to classic forever

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No, I’m tired of this lazy Mary Sue writing…

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No. The only character I really want back is Cairne… But I’m scared if he comes back, they might end up butchering his character as well.

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I mean, some bovine really improve in both taste and character for me when they are butchered.

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Sylvanas becoming evil didn’t ruin her, her redemption arc ruined her and that’s on the heads of the current story team
And no not really, you can’t unspoil milk

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No, I never want to see her again after Shadowlands. Her story is over. It’s time to let her go.

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Sylvanas didn’t do or decide anything, lorewise it was all zovaal plan.
All characters are flat to “all zovaal plan”.
To be fair from a being of this position it seems possible but it’s boring story wise.

Short answer: No.

Long answer: Hell no.

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personally, i dont want her back. she can still be around but shouldnt have a main role. im kind of sick and tired of her, even if her story wasnt “ruined”.

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Did she. Did she really. Apart from the fact that she cared nothing for the Horde except when it provided her with corpses her leadership was at best woeful and her “brilliance on the battlefield” was akin to the British capitulation at Singapore.

But no. Atrociously written character, long outlived her usefulness and only kept around so the writers could utterly emasculate the Horde just so she could have some form of relevance. Her relevance ended in 3.3.

Then she just became a meme and a crude exercise in writer self insertion.

But like I always said. She will get her redemption arc, a pat on the head and a “there there, we don’t really trust you but… we know you didn’t really mean to do all those things you did so we forgive you…”

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And here we are
Someone on the internet told another person about this and its spread like a COVID
i’m so sorry but maybe afrasiabi was a terrible person but What is happening right now has nothing to do what he did with her in legion and first half of BFA
and omg these writes are just trying to save what he did is lame excuse
cause these writers did shadowlands without HIM or david KOSAK
and look how terrible the story is in this expansion :smiley:
And even if you cut the Sylvannas out of shadowlands
shadowlands still suck

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