WoW Communities Disccusion

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I’ve figured now is a good time to open this topic again.

Some time ago, me and Jaigo created a community called Zen Horde, this community has proven to be one of the best decision’s I have ever taken in WoW, I love this community and I have been having a lot of fun in it, it changed my perspective in WoW and introduced me to a lot of good friends, I can always log on to WoW and find a cool activity to do with them, be it M+, tmog farming, raiding or just hanging out, discussing things and such.

However, a while ago we reached a huge milestone and with it a huge wall, we’ve reached the member cap, ( 1000 members ) and I’ve opened a topic asking for an increase on member limit, mainly due to many reasons.

1- Zen Horde is a home, we want people to belong and we don’t want to remove people on breaks.
2- The more the merrier, we don’t want to bar anyone out ( unless they’re super mean )
3- Purging is not Zen at all!

And many more, however we had to face reality and purge, and purge we did, ~500 inactive members were removed, sadly.

Fast forward to a couple of weeks ago, we hit the member cap again, and so I’ve started a purging process.

However, here in lies the problem… nearly most of our members are active!
The last purge period took 2 months to tag ~500 members, but this time in only a few weeks we already tagged more than half of our members.

Dear blizzard, this feature is an amazing feature, but it is way too limited, it’s a door to an amazing world, and I urge you to open it.

Please remove the member cap or drastically increase it.
Please add a lot of quality of life improvements to the community UI and more commands.
Please add more control, better functions and more fluid handling of the community UI
Please add cross community chats.
Please add sub communities, and sub community channels.

I’d like to ask the WoW community to support this topic and let our voices be heard, because this amazing feature needs to be expanded on and built upon.

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Hi,

I’m going to say the same here that I said to one of the Zen Horde leaders: move the LFG activity and the main community to Discord.

There’s a community with a similar concept and similar ideals as Zen Horde on the German WoW which is called the L-Gruppe. Facing the same issues and huge growth, they’ve decided to move away from ingame community over to Discord. In the past 4 years they have been constantly growing and they are counting about 4k active members right now, with every activity going on almost 24/7 and even one of the German forum blue-posters being in there.

I think your request is completely reasonable but I doubt it’s going to happen soon. I enjoy Zen Horde a lot and I occasionally run Keys with the people in there. I met new friends in Zen Horde over the time and even found a guild over it.

I think moving to a different platform (for example Discord) would open the doors for more growth and more people enjoying it. Your community made me start doing M+ in the first place :smiley:

So in short: I agree with you. But instead of waiting, I’d probably rather move the whole thing to Discord. But it’s a shame that communities are that limited.

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Thank you very much for your reply.

The concern with moving to discord is that some of our members are shy and would not prefer a platform like discord.

We tried to advertise our discord and let people know repeatedly about it, but only about ~200 members joined, I think it would be unwise and unfair to leave out the other members, which has put us on a conflicting road.

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We’ve even created an ‘overspill’ community for additional membership but it’s more of a band aid than a solution. As already mentioned purging isn’t social. Remove the cap. This really needs to be looked at.

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Yes I know that. I often suggest people to join Zen Horde and then they ask me why there are only 70 members :joy:

I don’t have the solution for this issue, but I don’t understand: what’s the difference in terms of being shy between posting in a Discord channel vs posting in an ingame community?

(I’m in that Discord, too. It’s mostly off topic but I enjoy the occasional chat going on there :))

Semi related: If I may be honest, one thing that made me mute the entire Zen Horde discord is, that there are sometimes multiple @everyone pings per day when there are raid events. But I still frequently check it out manually ^^

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For sure that’s fair. We had a few complaints about that and have adjusted it!

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It’s mostly a waiting room for until the purge ends.

Originally it was created with the purpose of making a connected chat channel between ZH and ZH2 then ZH3 and so on, but apparently that’s not doable so it was just abandoned and left open.

I think that’s mostly because people associate discord with voice chat, if I may be honest I’m also shy when it comes to chatting over voice.

Glad you enjoy it :smiley:

I think it’s been changed to @raiders, so that’s gone for now.

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Nice I’m going to unmutd it then :joy:

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Was it clear to the members that the discord served the purpose of circumventing the 1k member limitation and that any voice activity is not mandatory?

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Yep, still not effective.

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I wish someone would make an addon for communities, like GRM for guilds… CRM! That is more likely to happen than blizz making any changes imo.

My community has only a few active members, so purging is quite easy. Diff for you with many actives tho. I’d still appreciate an addon that had a ban option, custom ranks, joined and last online date, mass purge, etc. Pls… plz!

Edit: Ye I forgot about having to disable addons to use community ui, annoying! Fix that bliz, addons should not be capable of breaking wow ui.

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Wow. A thousand genuinely active members!

… do you have many people joining on multiple alts? like, 100 people with 10 alts each?

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I support this. We have to do purges in scared of dungeons every 2-3 months aswell. We do not have a 1000 active members tho, those that gets purged has been inactive for a while.

Edit: its nice if ppl can use the in game suggestion tool to suggest increasing member cap for communities. And an option to show last online would be good.

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Well when community feature introduced I thought it has good potential but discord has taken over. Many people don’t bother about discord.

To purge dungeon fear they need to introduced dungeon finder but they holding it back. Blizz believe running to dungeon, making own group makes game immersive.

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Thank you for this Hinata. Though I’m afraid that there are not that many communities that actually hit the cap. They started with a cap of 200 which was bumped up to 1000. There probably is a more technical reason why it can’t go higher. Right now I would honestly settle with a check box for selecting multiple people and a last online feature.

Communities were a blessing no doubt there. For us it brought so many people to play with :slight_smile: But you have to have them together in game. SoD discord works, but similar to you we have maybe 300 people there and half of them isn’t even playing WoW anymore. It’s great to keep in touch when you are not in game. But when you play, at least for groups like ours the in game chat and guild like feel is way more important than having a 4k+ discord.

Everytime I do the clean up I do wonder if it wasn’t better to just let it cap and just leave it be, but truth is people stop playing very often. And so far it wasn’t an issue. Just need better UI for managing it and I’m happy

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Also just wanted to say SoD is a fantastic place. I joined with my Alliance recently and everyone there is lovely.

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It’s very tiring having to purge so many too - I remember it from my days leading Calm Keystones.

It’s also risky making officers as they can remove everyone of a lower rank.

The whole system needs an overhaul.

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Yes, we have people with a lot of alts, and even then they are active on their alts so it’s unfair to purge said alts.

Also note, we don’t have 1000 active members! the note I made is we have a lot more active members this time, only a few weeks of tagging and we tagged over half the community ( 500+, I think we tagged something along ~650 ) and everytime I’m logging in I’m tagging people, alongside other leaders which are tagging with me so the numbers are increasing.

I think it’s better to keep a game community in the game, especially when the game is an MMORPG, it keeps things less convoluted, easier and clearer, people don’t need to tab out every now and then and check discord, they can chat and play like many of us, and they can play and read the chat which is always a pleasure to do.

It is, but I don’t really mind it.

However it’s lame that I can’t change people’s notes without turning off some of my addons.

It’s also lame that I can only edit a handful of member notes at a time.

So the procedure becomes : Turn off addon > tag a few people until you get error messages > turn on addon > play abit > turn off addon > tag a few people until you get error messages > repeat.

Don’t think so as there have been many times where we had over 100 members online in the same time.

But nowadays I hardly ever see the online members below 50.

I think I’ve seen 200+ members online at the same time once.

Logging in right now, we have 74 online members.

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Have you considered moving the community to a Discord servers instead? If Blizzard are limiting how many members you can have and it’s such an active community, it would seem a shame to exclude people.

It’s great to hear your initiative is so successful!!

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Hell yeah, fully agree with this, and im taking the liberty to speak for the Scared of Dungeons community, because we are facing the exact same problems, we had to do a purge last week even because we got full.

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