So you took that as evidence saying that he’s older than the titans?
There is no winning with you guys.
So you are going by speculations, you don’t have any real evidence.
Then i’m just gonna drop it here, because i realize what kind of argument this will go down as, and i just do not intend wasting much more time with you.
There are npcs from Stormwind representing people of colour since vanilla.
Would have agreed in some parts of the post if you just hadnt put the human thing in:(
Nah I took Ion saying that the Shadowlands are from a time more ancient than the titans to mean that the Jailer would also be older. But you are right! Maybe he just got the job last week.
I think Ion did say they are older but that’s even worse. First they say one thing but to fit their agenda they now say no, it’s actually not like that.
You are actually correct, for some reason i remembered Aegwynn as being her mentor she just served under Jaina for some time, so there was a connection, and i;m pretty sure she did learn something from here, but was not an apprentice.
Other than that, humans are very good at magic because titan heritage, they were created by the most powerful mages in the universe, so it does make sense in some way, and it’s not like they are the best at everything.
All right, but as iv’e said before, old does not equal powerful or more powerful, that is an assumption you are making.
As far as we know the titans are the most powerful beings in the universe and maybe only the void lords are as powerful unless they retcon that, since it was stated that the void lords envied the titans.
He is definitely powerful, more than the titans? Probably not.
I can’t recall it off the top of my head, but I am sure there are many retcons with every new expansion. To the point that WoW lore is basically a reality tv show.
She’s an undead banshee who recovered her body and was one of the best rangers of Silvermoon. Bolvar isn’t even undead, he’s been tortured and set ablaze and endured a cruel fate so that no one else may claim the Lich King’s helmet and do what Arthas did.
Of course she’d easily win. Her gender is of no relevance. SHE IS AN UNDEAD BANSHEE FFS.
Wow an undead banshee walks all over the LK, cause his host is “weak”. Logic
Not to mention LK created her. In fact Wotlk is now just a joke expansion lore wise.
Nah I just literally just sent you a quote that even power such as that of Bwonsamdi, Helys, Odyn and the Lich King pale in comparison to him.
That is also just an assumption you are making. It all depends on how Blizzard sets it up but if the Jailer is established to be the lord of death, just as the void lords are the lords of shadow, than he would be more powerful than the Titans. Btw the Titans are no way as powerful as the Void Lords. Sargeras defeated the entire pantheon and he was still terrified of them, so much that he decided to destroy the universe instead of giving it to them.
Arthas lk with frostmourne is on a whole other level than bolvar lk. You dont even seem to understand the lore at all.
And that’s where you are wrong as far as we know.
Unless they retcon this, the titans are the most powerful beings, it was directly stated that the void lords envied the titans.
Sargeras did not want to end creation because he was terrified at how powerful the void lords were, it would make much sense anyway, if they are more powerful than you then realistically you cannot do much, no, the reason was because they can corrupt and make what they corrupt stronger and their allied with them, which is why Sargeras went on his crusade.
So unless they retcon this, the void lords are at best on parity with the titan when it comes to overall brute power.
Also the quite you made seemed to put the jailor more in the line of titans, ofc the jailor is stronger than the lich king, or the wild gods.
This should be all.
I don’t know if it contradicts the lore so to speak, sure Stormwindian always had this european styled culture but Blizz mostly tip toed away from racial issues but they are certainly not the only one to do it, the immense majority of rpg Simply avoid the question altogether with various phenotypes represented in all human states without any explanations on how it happened, it’s just a thing. Personnaly I prefer the TES approach when the world does have various human sub categories with cool lore behind each but that’s the difficult route and in the end I totally get why people would want their avatar to look like them even if the implementation is a bit lazy.
In Chronicles the Void Lords are literally put on a tier above the titans. Also there are these quotes:
"Eonar was quick to champion Aggramar’s cause. She compelled the other Pantheon members to think of the world’s potential. If brought to maturity, this new titan could exceed even Sargeras’s considerable might , she argued. Indeed, it could become their greatest warrior, one capable of neutralizing the void lords once and for all. " p. 30
“Aman’Thul called out to Sargeras, pleading with him to abandon his mad Burning Crusade. He told Sargeras of Azeroth, a fledgling world-soul with more potential than any of the Pantheon had ever seen, a being strong enough to defeat the void lords in due time. Sargeras listened carefully, but was unmoved.” p. 50
Those would make it seem like currently no Titan can stand up to the void lords. Also I’m sure that I heard that Sargeras was scarred of them but that might have been before Chronicles.
you shoulda led with that like other few thousand posters and you woulda been okey, there would be Sylvies loyalist triggered, there would be your alliance buddies and hordie traitors echoing you and all around it would be a jolly fun time.
But you went racist and sexist…
Look, all right man, this conversation should have ended when i said there was no point continuing, the reason why i replied was because you were actually seemingly correct on the jailor older than titans thing, although iv’e only heard your word, and still haven’t fact checked if that was exactly what was stated.
I guess that’s it.
There seem to be a lot of confusion around this powerscaling issue, i am 100 % sure that it was stated that the void lords were envious of the titans and all that i stated before about the titans, but it might have been retconned.
In any case, we don’t really know the reason why the titans could not deal with the void lords, it might not be necessarily a thing about power.
From the moment the physical universe was born, the void lords had been watching the titans of the Pantheon. Envious of the titans’ power, the void lords attempted to corrupt one of them, but the titans remained impervious to their attempts. Instead, the void lords pooled their power and hurled dark, parasitic horrors — later known as the Old Gods — out into the universe to find and exert their influence over a titan in its most vulnerable state: before it had awakened. The void lords did not know which planets contained titan , and so simply hoped that at least some of their creations would smash into a planet that contained a nascent titan.
Unless they retconned this, it seems i would be correct, not you.
Maybe they will retcon this, saying that the void lords become more and more powerful as time passes, or something like that.
It would also seem that if what you said is correct about the jailor, it conflicts with what was stated about about the pantheon, since it’s directly stated from the moment the universe was born, so unless the jailor was created before the universe which is impossible since before the universe there was only the light and the void, and the clash of these 2 forces created the universe, what they said is quite literally impossible without a retcon.
I’m personally happy I can make a black indian female human.
Plus old models actually had proper black skin and not the tanned only version.
I know what you’re getting at, but there were definitely people of colour living in medieval Europe (European is not a race by the way). So based on what you say, there should be no problem for them to add other colourings of people.
Anyway, if this somehow conflicts with current lore, if Blizzard wants to add other colours of human into WoW, they can retcon whatever ‘lore’ they need to, to do so. They retcon and change lore all the time.
Anyway, is there even a creation myth for Stormwind humans in WoW? And does it say they are exclusively Caucasian looking?
I would agree though, that it could be great to add different cultures of human a la Kul-Tirans - Horde human? I’d play one - but imagine how much work would be involved, especially considering the variety being added as customisation. It wouldn’t be practical.
you’re so ignorant. educate yourself.
What makes me “Ignorant” exactly?
Instead of just telling me “Educate you are self”, why don’t YOU “Educate” me? I’ll ignore whatever you have to say anyway because I have no respect for you because you clearly don’t have any for me.