Honestly this was an old and ancient thing that they got rid of back long long time ago.
I dono why they felt the need to bring it back because some people were leaving heroic 5 mans
But it does underline why I am not part of that whole subculture within WoW’s playerbase. There is a severe lack of honour, decency, humanity within the whole M+, dungeon, raid PUG scene.
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Debatable. If 5 runs out of every 100 go pear shaped with people raging you could say that 95% of the community are decent. Those 5% stand out though.
It’s the same with the OP, its not the magnitude of toxicity, its that it happened to him so now “its everywhere”.
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Sure, but that’s only talking about the extreme cases. There’s many, many instances of runs that on the surface went ‘fine’, but maybe people just weren’t speaking up (for fear of getting kicked/reported etc). I have definitely been in such situations plenty of times.
My post wasnt mainly about how i encountered toxic people.
It was about the fact i encountered them in my first TW dungeon and getting kicked even though i did more than i enough to do the dungeon at a fast pace.
Then there is the issue of getting the debuff and locking me out of playing the game for a solid 30 mins, even though i did absolutly nothing wrong.
Sure this is 1 out 1000. But the thing is, it shouldnt happen. And me not making a post about it will not help us as a community to solve it.
And before you say everyones opinion on whats wrong, i have gotten AOTC consistant for 5 years and same with KSM. I would even say im part of the problem when it comes to the “gogogo” mentality.
And tbf if you are a person who likes to level up all of your alts, just do it in groups instead of que into the normal pool and make it harder/frustrating for people who just wanna do dungeon chill.
You could say same goes for the people that wanna take it easy, but LFG/LFR was made for people who want to just enjoy the game. Not the people who want to speed level.
Thats not something good, overall the game is made to be enjoyed but have in mind that a lot of people are competitive and they just want to win, its normal
Then change the title from “wow is toxic” to something more specific.
And why not ? Its as if you turned ON your computer for the first time…
Even in real life if you go to 1000 randomly chosen parties, ONE of those will not be as cool as you though. Or you watch 1000 randomly chosen movies and ONE will for sure be a bad movie. Or I randomly choose 1000 people and you hang out 30 minutes with each one. You are BOUND, guaranteed 100% that you will not like at-least ONE of them.
What were you expecting ?
I am sorry. Last time I checked LFG/LFR was GROUP content. So you have to show up with 4 other random people, with radically different points of view.
So. You CAN take it “chill” IF you are prepared to deal with people. And if you are not, you got follower dungeons.
But complaining about people in GROUP content, which are randomly chosen for you by a computer, is just… dunno… contradictory. Those people WILL be diverse… different than YOU… Because you did not choose them. A computer did it for you.
Im not sure what you were expecting ?
As for this, you can thank the many whiners on WoW. I would say that THEY are the real “toxic” people.
There was a time when people were complaining about “leavers” and how they should be punished. I was personally against punishing leavers. Because it allowed people like you to simply leave if you don’t agree with whatever is happening in the dungeon.
But people felt better by punishing than simply letting people leave and replace that slot with someone else.
And now you are paying the price. You can thank all those whiners for this.
So you would say we SHOULD be toxic in gaming. And turn that 1 out 1000 to 1 out 1?
It is as if you think there SHOULD be murder and rape in the real world.
The main reason why it SHOULDNT happend is because it ruins players time and fun playing the game. We are here to have fun and enjoy it, not become frustrated and angry.
Is it realistic to expect 0 to happen, no of course not. But we should always try to turn the likelyhood to be a lower number, which its not atm.
Currently follower dungeons only work for normal dungeons, not TW dungeons. So no i cant go and do follower dungeons, nor can i do with other people because a mayority of people who do TW dungeons in groups are doing it in a “gogogo” mentality.
And to answer your question of what i was expecting.
I was expecting a fun and relaxing time doing TW dungeons without the worry of being kicked for a pure reason of being “slow” when there isnt even a timer to it.
And if i was kicked i was expecting to at least be able to LFR but that isnt even the case.
No, I did not say that.
What I said is that there WILL be someone you disagree with. Its IMPOSSIBLE to agree with every single person on the planet.
Therefore, if you let a machine randomly choose people you play with, you will SOMETIMES get paired up with people you don’t agree with.
And “not agreeing with people” dosent make them “toxic”. You just don’t agree. And this is totally normal and you are making a massive deal about nothing at all.
It has nothing to do with murder or turning a 1 out 1000 to a 1 out of 1. Also, you abuse the term “toxic”. Stop it.
And that was my point. You literally said you have only done ONE dungeon ! I mean common ! A bit more volume before talking about “likelihood” right ?
You were expecting some NPCs that simply follow you arround.
There is no dungeon in WoW, or in gaming history in which you dont first TALK with people on how it should be done.
ALL the problems stem from people simple “assuming how things should be done” and expecting exactly that on random people. The people that kicked you assumed that dungeons should be done fast. You assume that they should be done slow.
Truth is, you can do them however you want to do them. There are no “rules”…
All you have to do is make sure you are on the same page as people. And thats IT !
Nah, bad game design is and will stay a BAD Game Design!!
Not initially. You could after the Firelands patch.
The harder the group difficulties are the more toxic people become. Simply you can’t just go in with anyone you want or it is just a s. show.
Also this shows the true form of players.
So after nerf and 2 raids later when you didn’t need to run them… gotcha lol.
I don’t think TW dungeons are difficult? They just show how bad some of the player base is… I picked up tanking again a few months ago when the TBC TW was on (my best expac) and was pulling fast with no downtime but that wasn’t enough…
Some are decent I had a tank that was going from 100% to dead every pull… I asked did he want me to tank instead and we finished the dungeon with 2 tanks lol. Most groups would have kicked the tank.
I can’t think of a truely new to tanking player doing it ever again lol My tanking skills belong to Brann now 
so that’s 5 tanks out of the pool hehe.
There is no fix for it as its a player issue and with automated systems there is no comeback as you will never see them again anyways.
It is there so that you dont end up in the same party and group that you got kicked .it is better for yourself and other party members or otherwise you will keep getting back to same party group .
No, its not there for that.
If you know anything about programing you could just simple program so that player wouldnt go into the same group.
If the deserter debuff was there so you didnt get into the same group again then blizzards programmers know nothing about making games.
It was put in place I want to say around mid Cata so you can’t afk and hope to get kicked because you got ZA or ZG again 
it was 10 mins… the 30 mins is from ppl QQing about ppl leaving after they got their loot… So its a case of be careful what you asked for.
It used to be that in order to find ppl to do dungeons you had to look for group, summon to the dungeon (with no 600% flying mounts to get there) and then dungeons were x4 more difficult than they are know. Now it is so much better and faster with automated dungeon finder and cross server play. Now you can pugs your way easily up to heoric raiding which was unthinkable…
Where do these Drama Lamas keep coming from?
Is ‘Toxic’ a word for mildly inconvenient now?
It’s not getting worse, it always has been. If it’s becoming a detriment to your enjoyment, sanity or mental health or whatever, please, step away from the internet. Take a breath, have a drink and come back when you’re off tilt.
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