WoW is P2W - Do you agree?

So subjective reasons.
That’s all well and good, but they’ll only mean something to certain players.

I consider players like that highly toxic and destructive to gaming. In my opinion, it shouldn’t be a thing.

… what?

Doesn’t matter, you still won. Whether you value it is of no consequence - perhaps the loser would’ve valued the win. What about his feelings?

Well I agree, but they still paid to win.

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Of course it matters!

I don’t care about those things and I’d never pay for that.

That’s exactly why it’s subjective. It has no value to one person and great value to another. Neither is right and neither is wrong; they just have an opinion.

Win what? A player made up ‘contest’ that reeks of corruption?
Not the game that did that. That’s players.

Just like I said here :slight_smile:

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But other people do and did. It still created an uneven playing field.

You’re just doing this:
:see_no_evil:

Nobody is impressed.

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Who in this ENTIRE PLAYERBASE doesn’t care about progression?!

Like, what?!

If we didn’t care about progression, then why did we even buy the game and paid for the subscription in the first place?!

We could be hanging around in Elwynn Forest on our level 10 trial accounts and be happy!

Argumentum ad absurdum is what this is.

The game is ALL progression. The very first level ding you get is progression. The paid level boost is the P2W version of that progression.

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There are actually people who don’t, for them it is a means to seeing the game world only.

But it is irrelevant to whether they won or not.

People are conflating objective reality and subjective valuation - in other words, they are ignoring reality.

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Sooo I AFK in the game and decide to do nothing? Doesn’t sound like me, but sure. Then neither player showed and skill or effort.

You can out perform someone even with huge ilvl gap. If you can be bothered you can scroll up to Elahra’s screenshot of a boosted players DPS, presumably he had enough ilvl to get invited to that key.

^^
Extend the quote to see the screenshot.

So firstly I can do more than 72.5k overall with ~440 ilvl. So thats that. Secondly You cannot do DMG if you are dead. Ret paldin has bough all the boosts he has all the items, he uses his axe on the big Algethar pull and insta dies to swirlies, random 340 ilvl player out-dpses him because the random 340 is still alive.

I addressed that in the next bit of my post.

No?
The field has never been even to begin with.
Some players can dedicate hours upon hours to a game.
Others can only play a little bit on a weekly basis.
Some players have the support of a group of friends who help that person.
Others go at it completely alone.

Etc.

There is no even playing field and there never has been.

Why the mocking?
Stop it. It’s unbecoming.
Have a discussion like an adult.

But even that is content progression.

You need flying to see certain places.

Flying requires levels and gold.

Blizzard sells both!

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They are rejecting reality and substituting it with their own warped version.

And I cannot…

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You clearly don’t.

Of course it doesn’t sound like you, hence the “let’s say” at the beginning. :stuck_out_tongue:

Right, so neither player showed skill or effort. But he won, because he showed cash!

There is a limit, and you know it.

Mate, we’re trying. :rofl:

It ain’t easy.

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What on earth drives you to this conclusion?

Have you looked at all the nolife progression my character is soaked in?

Everyone pursues some kind of progression in this game.

Everyone.

And Blizzard will sell you some of that progression for money.

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Anyone who buys a boost, for starters.
You skip the part that makes the progression satisfying.
Makes… Sense?

Also: Spending less time playing isn’t progression. It’s instant gratification. Different thing. And the ‘practice’ remark was just silly because you’d get practice by doing it yourself for real. :person_shrugging:

This is also something that confounds me.
They want the progression, but they don’t want to play to progress.

Why does this model work?

Nobody knows!
It just does.
It shouldn’t!
:confused:

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Yeah spending money does give you an advantage over someone who is doing nothing… big shock.

Yeah and it’s not big enough to matter. It doesn’t matter what your gear is if you die to the first mechanic or you have no clue how to play your class. If I can out-dps 72k with nearly 80 ilvl of difference (and trust me I am very far from the best player), then gear is not as big of a factor as one would think it is.

What?!

Those people care immensely about progression. That’s why they are willing to pay for it!

And what they pay for is the instant gratification of completing a particular progression.

And then they enjoy that little dopamine hit that they bought with their money before they set their sights on the next progression thing.

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Yeah, something like that.

It’s the same mentality that leads people to cheat.

When you think about it the question immediately comes up: Why do you so badly want to win in a game you actually don’t want to play?

No one knows. It does give a dopamine hit I guess, otherwise they wouldn’t do it. To me, it’s a waste of money.

It’s bizarre.

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You said it yourself.