Then pretty much every MMO game is “pay to win” since all MMO games who practice expansion pack business models have … paid expansions obviously. Online stores?
Hehe. Blizzard’s in-game store is primitive comparing to say…FFXIV store.
Char/account services like re-names transfers and so forth? A lot of MMOs has those as well. Boosts…every MMO game them. Be it directly via shop or via 3rd parties.
So in essence. According to you. Every MMO meets your “pay to win” criteria. Then how come WoW gets the special interest here?
Yes.
Modern gaming in a nutshell. You’re hard-pressed to find any of these triple A games that don’t have this. Which makes sense, right? I mean, it costs hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars to make these games. Relying on box sales alone isn’t going to cut the mustard, so they all have these similar business models to squeeze more profit out of their product.
It’s a bit depressing when you think about it. But hey, that’s business.
It doesn’t. I’ll rage as much against WoW as I’ll rage against EA Sports FC and Destiny 2 and Black Desert Online and Call of Duty and Lost Ark and so on.
They’re all in the same boat. Sadly. This just happens to be the WoW forum, so we talk about WoW here.
Well I was. For that one time in WoD I got a boost to get the moose mount.
Literally the only time.
So if you want to call me a cheater for that; I don’t mind. It doesn’t mean anything.
Because corrupt people do corrupt things and since this involves a game, you can bet they’re doing corrupt things in the game.
Not to the insane extent that we see nowadays.
The bar would be set a lot lower if RTWF didn’t exist and ‘normal’ mythic raiders would be able to progress much more natural on their own.
They did this back in vanilla but to an lesser extent sure. But they sure didnt mind doing it when classic popped up that didnt have tokens.
You really gonna pop wow on the same lvl as Black dessert online? Is the term that watered down to you?
Im fine with you not liking tokens, game stores etc. I dont either and find them more akin to predatory practices. But P2W its not, it has its meaning but wow aint it.
Literally everytime you sign up for LFR you are getting a free boost. You are no where near dealing your fair share of the DPS.
How so? And why does the raid being overtuned for a week or 2 affect you, scratch that, affect 99% of the playerbase. Pretyy much all raids are doable on NM and Heroic week one.
I will just stop here before this turns into yet another Jito kidie table crayon eating contest.
Then perhaps its time to get out of the past and accept where the gaming industry has gone?
I also see the new kids just sitting at their phones and nothing else, but also remembering my childhoad(climbing trees, playing soccer, running on garage roofs and all kinds of childish mischief). They wont experience that joy…and I need to accept that I can’t force it upon them either.
I’ll certainly be willing to argue the impact and scope of P2W in the various games, and games like Black Desert Online and EA Sports FC are definitely worse than World of Warcraft.
But that discussion can only happen if we agree that these games all employ a similar business model that is generally termed as P2W.
So long as people are still sticking their head in the sand and insisting that WoW has none of this to any degree whatsoever, then it’s not a discussion we can have yet.
But maybe in another 1000 replies we can get to the point where we can talk about the relative impact of P2W in Black Desert Online versus World of Warcraft.
It’s just not where we are in the discussion yet. People are still getting up in arms about the P2W term.
You’re assuming an awful lot there and I don’t appreciate it.
In fact that statement is an insult.
By the same logic anyone in ANY type of raid who makes a mistake or doesn’t perform to their absolutely maximum potential is ‘being boosted’ and that’s just insane reasoning.
PS: A paid for boost is bad on a whole other level. And that is what those guilds are doing.
I never claimed it affect me. It affects the game though. And mythic raiders.
That’s a fact.
Fair enough. As long as you understand that it does.
This is spicy, but could we go back to the transmog segment?
How we care so much how others perceive us, yet tell these same people not to care about others and focus on themselves? How we want others to see our transmog because of vanity, yet push the “noone cares” narrative? I think it would make for a fantastic discussion, personally, and it would help us define P2W in the context of WoW more clearly.
I am not assuming I am seeing your logs and your combat breakdowns.
Mythic raiders will be affected regardless. Aside from the world first raiders no one is beating those raids in a week, in most cases no one is reaching the bosses that get nerfed in one week. the raids are not tuned for the WFR but they get retuned after. Meaning what you get now is what you would have gotten without the WFR and a tuning patch more likely than not takes at least one reset to go live.
I don’t but I don’t want to get into another Tahra debate where you just act like you know what you are talking about because “elitism bad and is why children are starving in africa”.
