Again, you guys think WAY TOO SIMPLE about that. Just imagine that unknown people attack the Horde and with meetings with the Alliance, the Horde gets restless and blames them for trying to dismantle them for good. You, however, investigate the situation and at the end it turns out that neither the Alliance and the Horde was behind them but people from both faction together with the wish, that the truce will end. This would be a good storytelling and you still can have the tension and unrests in the game.
They havenât hit the front page this time, therefore you can easily tell that these are genuine players and not just bandwagon-hoppers. Everything about 7k usually spirals out to the mainstream.
They donât have the actual power to knock him off but they have power over him to some degree. Why else would he come down and have an AMA he never intended to do? Because it was damage control. You gotta respect the sheer energy these people have at least.
Besides, the Moderation also has semi-acknowledged* that Blizzard developers want certain topics to be closed or deleted but they refuse to do it.
kinda in a joking gesture but at the same time also serious about it. Take it with a grain of salt
The game will stay the same but the stories will be more like in Classic and Cata.
Since both factions lost the majority of their men and resources against the Legion and in this current war, how would you realistically make them fight again without making it either forced or completely absurd at this point? Do both factions have some sort of cloning machines?
Weâre literally going into the world where the dead people reside. Shouldnât be too difficult to find quite a few angry spirits at the opposing faction.
Warriors and people with a thirst for war are known for not having logic or sense. They just want something bleeding on the end of their blade. Warriors rarely seek peace, they prefer war eternal.
Ion is the reason there is more engagement from Blizzard with the playerbase. He did the AMA because he wants to be seen to be interacting more. He does the Q&As regularly to talk about things that are coming up and take a selection of submitted questions. He engages with the attendees at BlizzCon and spends time talking to people.
Iâm personally not a fan of any of the formats myself. I would rather they release information we are looking for in cohesive statements rather than cherry picking questions they want to answer.
They let people talk about pretty much anything on the forums. Topics are locked if people become too abusive with each other or they break the Code of Conduct. When all the Hong Kong hoohar kicked off or the prize fund toy discussions, none of them were removed, they were all left to run their course.
No, I want more conflict, rather than less. If your argument is âHurr durr we do not have troopsâ, while people didnât have troops at the beginning of BFA either, I say do whatever BFA did and summon troops out of thin air. âOh the alliance took peasants and civilians while the horde did somethingâ
Sure. So do the very same. And you do realise itâs not about winning or losing in this conflict, itâs about keeping the conflict alive, do you?
Itâs not about canologically having enough troops to fight, itâs about stopping this âOh we love each other and Thrall and Jaina are going to have babiesâ and go back to spitting at each others faces in front of the Argent Crusade, at their very tournament, and fighting each other to the death.
Iâll try to phrase this from my characters perspective, rather than mine.
I donât care, what it would cost, but Iâd rather die than fight side by side with the alliance. However, sadly we keep being forced to fight side by side against the big bad. And to be honest, if given the chance, Iâd probably attack Jaina during the Azshara fight, before attacking Azshara herself.
There is a victor. It is Horde, since all of their victories were portrayed well via in-game cutscenes and cinematics they are the victor.
Our victories are just offscreen, dull. Like they said we won Warfronts! Who cares, I didnât see anything related to our victory.
Their way of trying to be fair is disgusting. In-game it is Horde, offscreen Alliance. So both factions should be happy? Nope, not at all. Even this is a proof of Horde bias.
I think weâre talking about two different things. As far as I remember some people demanded in a harsh way to get answers about the inGame situation and out of nowhere he started to post on reddit, promising, that he will answer something in an AMA.
This has nothing to do what they usually do with their Q&As.
I have gone bit back and checked his reddit-posting history out for you. The original post where he promised to do the AMA has been likely deleted by himself. There is only the official statement left and of course the AMA itself. But as far as memory serves he initially came into an on-going topic and promised to answer questions from players.
Was this geared towards me? Just to be clear, you can actually speak with the other faction even today in the game. There is a specific potion available which let you talk with everyone for one hour from the other side - and itâs quite cheap too to get it!
I am sure that you are aware that the entire point of recruiting the allied races was to obtain those extra troops? And now even they are drained.
Throwing all logic away and keeping the conflict alive for the sake of it is quite a bad storytelling, which I cannot support. By all means, keep the factions like they were in vanilla, aka at minor, local skirmishes, but more than that? Itâd be more than absurd.
I donât think the majority of people are saying thatâs the factions should now hold hands and love each other. So Iâm not sure what your point here is. Factions not being in an open war with each other =/= factions being best friends now.
Since we are going IC, Iâll offer you my Highmountainâs perspective as well:
"Right after suffering a terrible invasion and having one of our tribes betray us, my people were conscripted to fight once more and wage war we had absolutely zero investment in. Nothing but fodder to that wretched corpse. Now after this war, we barely have any fighters left. So many good warbraves died. So many funeral pyres to light up back in Thunder Totem. And for what? For our âwarchiefâ to flee, making all our sacrifices meaningless?
We should have never left Highmountain and joined thisâŚHorde. We never needed it. They needed us, and they used us to fight their warâŚ"
Hillsbrad was a sientist gone rogue and was ordered to be executed by a chief apothecary.
Gilneas was Garrosh trying to wipe out two things he hate Undead and humans in one go. I mean who can blame him. One of those killed of the entire orcish elite.
Theramore was a reasonable military target and the battle happened in such a way that civilians were able to escapeâŚ
Aaaaand the Theramore survivors a long with a lot of other MoP things were blizzard contradicting their prior characterization of GarroshâŚ
Southshore⌠Never heard about it! whistles
Andorhal was a reasonable battlefield due to the recent faction war.
Again, itâs not about having a feasible war. Itâs about being fueled by hatred against the opposing faction and thus being willing to fight them to any given point. Pandas kinda ruined that whole thing and ever since itâs been going downhill.
Oh no, it is quite logical. My character hates the alliance. Theyâve tried to murder him, on several occasions. The Troll "War"chief, glad heâs dead, loved cuddling up to them, but he forgot about all the atrocities the alliance commited. And honestly, the horde has commited just as many, if not more. Why would any alliance character be willing to work together with them? Would you be the kind of person that forgets their own grudges, forgives the person that manabombed Theramore, even if their own family died there?
Remember Tarren Mill? That whole human seedlings stuff, where you can decide to either save them or smash their heads in? Imagine you meet the person whoâs smashed your whole familys head in. Would you be willing to fight side by side with them? Because honestly, Iâm just not that kind of guy. And if you are, well I guess youâre quite fitting to play Tauren then. But the greedy goblins, who think about nothing but money and themselves? The Magâhar Orcs whoâve lived through nothing but war? The undead, whoâve been outcast by their own families? I donât think so.
But they are, arenât they? Sylvanas is gone, so the leaders of alliance and horde are now best buddies. Have you not noticed the emotional tension that usually leads to very regrettable nights, between Thrall and Jaina? Theyâve been friends ever since. Baine is the weakest of leaders and has always been. Heâs called his own people âlegitimate military targetsâ and was an alliance lover ever since.
If we do not have war, we have love between factions. Thatâs exactly how it is right now.
You are very correct. I donât quite see why the Highmountain Tauren joined this war either. I see it very much for the Zandalari Trolls and Magâhar Orcs. For the other allied Races? Not so much.
I agree, BFA writing was terrible. But using the worst example possible as an example is as usually not that good.
Look at the Argent Tournament and the Trial of the Crusader. Conflict, while still being well written.
We fought the Lich King, without needing each others help. We fought Illidan, and killed him, without needing the other factions help.
Alliance adventurers fought Câthun, a literal god, without needing the Hordes help.
Why does it always revolve back towards âOh no, we need to group up, to fight the big bad evilâ, ever since MoP?
The two sides of the story donât always match up, itâs a common issue when you play both sides and see both sides of the storyline. There is always an issue with what is and isnât canon.
In the build up to us going to War with the Alliance they mention the Alliance is the stronger bigger military force. The Alliance also win out on all the War Fronts. They attacked DazarâAlor, they one again sieged outside the gates of Orgrimmar etc. At this point though both sides have suffered casualties.
Which is why the Horde is split. To some the betrayal by Saurfang was the greater sin and to others Sylvanas actions were.
I think we need something to unite us (the Horde) again, which is why Iâm glad Saurfang is dead because he will forever be a traitor to some and the wrong person to do that task.
Mate, the worst example possible is current reality, unfortunately. I too, would want something normal, but I think its a distant dream with the current cast.
The Horde was keeping the Qiraji from swarming over the Alliance at this time, so it was cooperation again.
