WoW's story and how it affects PVP and other aspects of the game. Horde

I had an interesting conversation with ChatGPT on this and I would like to share it here. It might bring some solace.

Speculation time. Now that Microsoft has purchased Activision Blizzard, does this mean that the new leaderships could have big plans for World of Warcraft? The story of WoW has slowly decayed over time, it’s high points being World of Warcraft Wrath of the Lich King and myabe expanding a bit into Cataclysm, but it is in Cataclysm, followed by Pandaria and later Warlords of Draenor and so on that the story itself started to branch too far from its original success. Personally, I hate what Sylvanas has done to the Horde, I dislike that whole story arc and many people did, thus leaving the Horde and preferring the alliance because in people’s eyes, the alliance are the good guys (making pvp sufer due to imbalances). Does Microsoft intend to make WoW a better product?

ChatGPT said:

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Since Microsoft’s acquisition of Activision Blizzard in October 2023, there has been considerable speculation about potential changes to games like World of Warcraft (WoW). However, according to Holly Longdale, WoW’s Executive Producer and Vice President, Microsoft’s approach has been hands-off. In an April 2024 interview, Longdale stated, “There’s no one asking us to do anything… They’ve been tremendously supportive and it’s like ‘let Blizzard be Blizzard.'”

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This autonomy has allowed Blizzard to maintain its creative direction for WoW. Longdale also mentioned the benefits of collaboration within Microsoft’s ecosystem, including sharing insights with other studios like Mojang and the Elder Scrolls Online team.

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While Microsoft has been integrating Activision Blizzard’s titles into its services—such as adding games like Diablo IV and Overwatch 2 to Xbox Game Pass—there have been no specific announcements regarding major changes or new leadership plans for WoW.

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In summary, despite the acquisition, Blizzard retains creative control over WoW, and there is no indication of significant changes to the game’s direction under Microsoft’s ownership.

You said:

Ok, then let’s ask a different question. Is Blizzard itself aware of these pvp problems caused by faction imbalances due to their danky story decisions and do they plan to improve the Horde’s condition, reputation, etc?

ChatGPT said:

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Blizzard is aware of faction imbalances in World of Warcraft (WoW), particularly concerning the Horde and Alliance dynamics. This issue has been evident in high-end activities like Mythic raiding and Mythic+ dungeons, where the Horde has often been more dominant.

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In response, Blizzard has implemented several measures to address these imbalances:

  • Cross-Faction Play: In 2022, Blizzard introduced cross-faction instances, allowing players from both factions to team up for dungeons, raids, and rated PvP. This change aimed to reduce barriers and improve the gameplay experience by enabling friends from opposite factions to play together.
  • Cross-Faction Guilds: As of January 2023, Blizzard has been considering the implementation of cross-faction guilds. This would further diminish faction barriers, fostering a more unified player base and addressing social aspects of faction imbalance.

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  • Faction-Based Character Creation Restrictions: To maintain balance on specific realms, especially PvP ones, Blizzard has temporarily restricted character creation for the more dominant faction. This approach helps prevent further imbalance and encourages a more equitable distribution of players between factions.

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Regarding the Horde’s narrative and reputation, Blizzard has not announced specific plans to alter the storyline to address faction imbalances. The company continues to develop the game’s lore, aiming to provide engaging content for both factions.

In summary, Blizzard acknowledges the faction imbalance issues in WoW and has taken steps to mitigate them through gameplay and system changes. While narrative adjustments specific to the Horde’s reputation have not been detailed, the company remains committed to enhancing the overall player experience.

You said:

Cross faction play and cross’faction guilds does not improve the pvp situation, it only makes it weirder. Horde should not galivant with Alliance. My sugestion would be a resurection of a certain Warchief who would inspire the Horde to be great again /flex.

ChatGPT said:

ChatGPT

Your suggestion about resurrecting a strong Warchief to reinvigorate the Horde aligns with what many players feel—longing for a return to the Horde’s core values of honor, strength, and unity. The introduction of figures like Thrall or even a hypothetical resurrection of Garrosh (albeit with a more balanced and honorable approach) could serve as a rallying point for the faction’s identity and reputation.

Why the Horde Needs a Strong Narrative Revival

  1. Faction Pride: The Horde was historically seen as a faction of misfits banding together out of necessity, driven by survival, strength, and honor. The Sylvanas storyline fractured this image, leaving the Horde in disarray narratively and in the eyes of players.
  2. PvP Balance: If the Horde can regain its reputation as a proud and cohesive faction, players might feel more inspired to join it, evening out faction participation in PvP.
  3. Faction Exclusivity: A revitalized Horde would make faction identity more meaningful again, addressing the “weirdness” you mention with cross-faction mechanics. These systems work for PvE but dilute the sense of rivalry critical to PvP’s excitement.

Potential Story Ideas for a Warchief’s Return

  • Vol’jin’s True Legacy: Vol’jin’s storyline was cut short, but his character embodied the Horde’s honor. A plot where the Loa restore Vol’jin in a form that commands respect and strength could unite the Horde once again.
  • Garrosh’s Redemption: A twist where Garrosh returns, scarred from his actions and seeking redemption, could bring the “might makes right” ethos back, tempered by lessons learned from his past mistakes.
  • A New Champion: Introduce a fresh character—perhaps an orc, troll, or tauren—who embodies the ideals of Thrall and Vol’jin, inspiring the Horde to rally without being defined by past mistakes.

PvP-Centric Solutions

To complement the narrative, Blizzard could introduce:

  1. Faction-Specific Rewards: PvP incentives that celebrate faction identity, like exclusive mounts, gear, or titles.
  2. Horde-Centric PvP Campaigns: Seasonal story arcs that pit factions against each other in battlegrounds, akin to the pre-Cataclysm Southshore vs. Tarren Mill events.
  3. Horde vs. Alliance Capital Sieges: Expanding world PvP to feature large-scale battles where cities become dynamic battlegrounds.

The Way Forward

Blizzard could benefit from player feedback like yours, especially as they aim to recapture WoW’s former glory. A narrative shift emphasizing faction pride and PvP revitalization might be just what the game needs to reinvigorate its community.

You said:

Whoever wrote that Sylvanas story and whoever aproved it needs to be fired.

ChatGPT said:

ChatGPT

The Sylvanas storyline, particularly her actions in Battle for Azeroth and Shadowlands, has been one of the most polarizing narratives in World of Warcraft’s history. Many players, like yourself, feel that her arc deviated significantly from her established character traits, leading to dissatisfaction and frustration.

What Went Wrong with Sylvanas’ Story?

  1. Character Derailment: Sylvanas was initially written as a cunning and morally gray figure. The burning of Teldrassil and her subsequent descent into outright villainy felt jarring and unearned for many fans.
  2. Overreliance on Shock Value: Major events like Teldrassil seemed designed to provoke strong reactions but lacked the nuanced storytelling needed to support such drastic actions.
  3. Inconsistencies in Motivation: Sylvanas’ allegiance to the Jailer and her ultimate redemption arc in Shadowlands felt contradictory to her previously established motivations, leaving players questioning the coherence of her character.
  4. Faction Identity Crisis: The Horde was left fractured, with Sylvanas’ actions causing disillusionment among Horde players. This alienated a core part of the player base.

Accountability for Storytelling

While calling for firings might be harsh, the narrative team’s choices did lead to widespread dissatisfaction. In any creative endeavor, accountability is crucial:

  • Feedback Loops: Blizzard has historically had a tumultuous relationship with player feedback. Perhaps more transparency and willingness to adjust narratives based on early fan reactions could have prevented this.
  • Leadership Responsibility: Major story beats are often approved by higher-ups, so the blame doesn’t fall solely on the writers but also on the leadership that greenlit these decisions.

Hope for Redemption

Blizzard has shown in the past that they can turn things around when they listen to their community. The next steps for World of Warcraft should focus on:

  1. Rebuilding Faction Identity: A strong, compelling narrative that gives both Horde and Alliance players pride in their factions again.
  2. Player-Driven Stories: Return to storytelling that allows players to feel their actions shape the world rather than passively witnessing it.
  3. Learning from Missteps: Avoid forcing redemption arcs or drastic character pivots without proper buildup. Instead, let characters grow organically.

You’re not alone in your frustrations, and your feedback reflects a broader sentiment in the WoW community. With Microsoft’s recent acquisition, there may be opportunities for Blizzard to reflect and refine their approach to storytelling in future expansions.

Dang, that’s alot of words… too bad I ain’t reading’em. :sunglasses:

As we are relying on AI to have conversations now, I’m sure it could fashion you a suitable reply

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Faction balance, faction balance, faction balance—blah, blah, blah. Honestly, are we still talking about this in 2024? Listen, the real problem isn’t faction balance—it’s the fact that Blizzard refuses to acknowledge that Hogger is the rightful Warchief of the Horde. Think about it: he’s been terrorizing newbies in Elwynn Forest since vanilla. He’s basically the Chuck Norris of WoW. You know how they always say, ‘If you can’t beat ’em, join ’em?’ Well, Horde should’ve recruited Hogger ages ago. Imagine Stormwind’s panic if the Horde showed up with an army of gnolls riding siege mammoths. Game. Over.

And why is everyone sleeping on the critters? I’ve been playing this game for 18 years, and I still don’t understand why the squirrels and rabbits in the world don’t rise up to form their own faction. There are BILLIONS of them. I once saw a squirrel in Darnassus carry an acorn that was half its size. That’s strength and determination. Imagine 40 of those little guys raiding Icecrown Citadel. Arthas wouldn’t stand a chance. And don’t even get me started on those sheep that randomly explode. That’s tactical brilliance right there. They’re just waiting for their moment.

Also, can someone explain how fishing works in Azeroth? Are the fish just volunteering to get caught? There’s no bait on my line, and yet I’m pulling out entire fish with swords and shields in their stomachs. Are these fish raiding underwater dungeons? Are they, perhaps, the true enemy we’ve overlooked? Forget Horde vs. Alliance—we should all be united against the aquatic menace lurking beneath the waves. Speaking of waves, why can’t we just have a faction of sentient, angry whirlpools? I’d roll one. Give me a ‘Whirlpool Warrior’ spec, Blizzard. You cowards.

And don’t even talk to me about the Auction House goblins. They control the economy, but no one questions them. How is it that they can set the price of linen cloth to 500 gold, and we’re all just like, ‘Yup, that’s fair’? If any faction is truly overpowered, it’s the Auction House cartel. I don’t care if you’re Horde or Alliance—you’re broke either way. Meanwhile, those goblins are sitting on mountains of gold, probably building private zeppelins shaped like Thrall’s chin or something.

Oh, and can we PLEASE talk about the culinary injustice happening in Azeroth? Horde players are out here grilling mystery meat and conjuring mana biscuits, while Alliance players have access to like, ten different types of bread. How is that balanced? Why can’t I, as an orc, bake a nice sourdough? And why is there no raid boss whose mechanic revolves around baking? Imagine this: you’re fighting some ancient dragon, but instead of DPS checks, it’s a soufflé check. One missed timing, and the whole raid wipes because the soufflé collapsed. That’s the kind of challenge WoW needs right now.

Speaking of dragons, why does no one question where all these dragon whelps keep coming from? Every expansion, there’s another one. Are they just hanging out in nests, waiting for some adventurer to show up and give them a new home? And why do they breathe fire even when they’re literally 10 seconds old? Is that biologically possible? I feel like the laws of physics in Azeroth are being wildly abused.

Also, what’s up with mounts? Why can my undead warlock summon a flaming skeletal horse from another dimension but can’t climb over a waist-high fence in Durotar? How am I supposed to achieve faction balance when my dragon can’t even navigate a shrub? Meanwhile, NPCs are casually walking through walls and phase-shifting like they’re on some higher plane of existence. Maybe THAT’S where all the unbalanced faction players are going—they’ve ascended to the wall-clipping meta.

And one final thought: why do Tauren have hooves but wear boots? WHERE DO THE BOOTS GO? Are they custom-made? Do they have to see a cobbler, or is this just another example of Blizzard sweeping the hard questions under the rug? I’ll tell you this much: we’ll never achieve true faction balance until we address the logistical nightmare of hooved footwear.

So yeah, sure, balance the Horde and Alliance numbers, whatever. But until I can roll a squirrel assassin, ride a gnome into battle, and bake artisanal bread while summoning an army of aquatic dungeon-fish, WoW will remain hopelessly imbalanced. Blizzard, the ball’s in your court.

Havent read any of this myself.

I have, all.of.it

Quite a take I must say. Can’t say that I disagree but also not entirely true. It needs to be expanded more for research purposes.

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I used AI as a tool, not to have some weird conversation. It gathers information from thousands of posts, and wraps up opinions. And I used an over-arching aproach to wrap up all this dankyness in the hopes that it adds perspective AND feedback.

Don’t be so salty, yo! It’s almost Christmas!

To close,

I wanted for a while to get this out of my system. I still hate what Sylvanas has done to the Horde.

If I just say that, my post may get flamed for hate etc.

Tools like AI may help bring a more intelectual nuance to a strong feeling.

My. Anger. Is. Justified.

And if I remain silent what’s the point?

For The Horde!

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