WTF is wrong with BG Blitz MMR

okay you were the 10th highest rated warrior at 1924 rating for 1 month 10 years ago

how about today?

i was 2400 on my holy paladin in legion. know what i am today on my holy paladin? lvl 78.

embarrassing.

ah right you’re one of those - screenshot all the wins, memory hole all the losses.

when you win, its you giga carrying with your dam. when you lose, “ah well, nothing to be done.” lets see some screenshots of losses then we can begin to piece together the picture.

dont you have some tensor calculus to do ? oh wait ! you just game and have no clue about anything else. ok , np

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You’re an idiot if you think I got worse at the game after playing for 10 years more, consistently.

You quit playing Paladin. I did not quit playing Warrior, so nice false equivalence there.

If you open your eyes you can see that those wins are in a row.

It also doesn’t take a close examination of your win-loss ratio to look at the scoreboard after a battleground and notice that you gain 5-15 rating per win and lose double that amount.

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you linked me a screenshot of 1924 rating. i check your account and your warrior peak is 2100-something 6 YEARS AGO. you were challenger 90% of dragonflight. i wasn’t the one who acted like i was some warrior god with this ‘top 10 in the world’ nonsense.

did you keep being top 10 in the world? no. why? choice? you’ve played every season for the past 3 years. why did you chose to stop being top 10 in the world?

I’ve been playing casually on-and-off just getting some elite sets because I have no interest pushing past Elite set rating.

Your logic is that because of that I somehow became less knowledgeable on how Warrior is played in battlegrounds and because of that I’m losing games now despite the damage I deal or objectives I complete in any given battleground?

Because I don’t care about sweating and getting more than 2k?? There’s literally no rewards past that rating that I care about, especially not now that they’ve nerfed the rating requirement for elite sets??

None of your logic speaks towards “me getting worse”. It only speaks to my goals in rated PvP.

My logic is that in your head you think you’re a top 10 warrior on the planet and in reality you were a 1600-1800 warrior.

When you think you’re better than you actually are you turn off your brain and assume you will win automatically and easily and when you lose you assume its your team and not you making mistakes. You get complacent. Thats you.

Instead, try the opposite - assume you’re terrible. Assume you have something to learn from every game. Assume you aren’t the best player in the lobby because one time you were the fastest kid in school or could jump the highest or whatever, because none of that matters.

Again, where are the loss screenshots? There are none. Only wins. Record some gameplay and post it or review it yourself instead of coping with this ‘top 10 warrior’ nonsense.

No, not lower. You just don’t know. Just guess. Or it’s broken. Because my MMR was higher than CR, means what? According to logic which you describe I shouldn’t loss rating right? But no! :slight_smile: Where you come from? So many ppl who believes that Blizzard works like an swis watches. MMR:CR bugged or they decide implement new algo, but it stats worked out of control.

Your logic is flawed because your judgment is based on the assumption that I’ve been trying to climb above 1800 rating and have not been able to besides that “one time that I happened to get 1900 early in a season because of luck I guess”, when in reality the goal was never to get higher than what I got because I had already achieved what I wanted.

Which fails to explain me having top damage and successfully playing my role and completing the objective needed almost every single battleground but still losing because I cannot fill all roles by myself.

I am one player. I can only do SO much.

You’re also assuming that I posted that screenshot to show off which shows your mentality here on the forums. You believe that I posted it out of malice or some sort of grandstanding when it was merely a reply to a person saying “git gud”, to show that person that I do in fact have some experience playing battlegrounds and am not new to this in the slightest.

The win screenshots, again, are not for showing off or grandstanding. They were to show the amount of rating that you gain when winning several times in a row compared to the amount you lose (as reported in the thread itself) that people were complaining about.

…As well as me showing that I do always play towards game objectives despite also having top damage in almost every single battleground that I play and that I am not just circling midfield to boost my damage done on the scoreboard like a headless chicken.

I am amazed that you completely missed the point of me posting those screenshots but I suppose that’s what happens by default when you assume that everyone only posts things for grandstanding/showoff reasons.

I would suggest that you first sit back and evaluate the reason for people writing or posting certain things instead of going straight in there with a hostile mindset, and attacking them for something that they haven’t even done.

Yeah no thats not my point. Let me make it simple:

You have an ego on you that assumes your wins are because of you and your losses are because of your team. You will never climb with this mindset. Good luck.

my man , dont bother with that dude , if he thinks that being good at a class is shown ONLY by having glad titles non stop or high ratings in every season he is worse than Alice in Wonderland. let him live there. Is just a poor man with less than 1 perspective in life so trust me he is in much pain.

Save yourself the time - he’ll first disagree with you, then bring up that he works with stats as a job (who cares?) and then finally he’ll dismiss you as a gladiator or genius. His mind is closed for business.

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You’re assuming that I have an ego when I’ve never done a single thing to indicate that this is ego-related.

I did not say that I won those battlegrounds solely “because of me” because that would literally go against my point when I say that I can not carry every single battleground.

I won those battlegrounds because I did my part and others did their part, but that is NOT the norm in Blitz. You can not expect to have a consisted 55-60%+ win-loss ratio in Blitz //BECAUSE// you queue into people who do either not know how to play or flatout refuse to play.

And the whole point of these threads is not even about losing battlegrounds. It is about the developers’ expectation of players requiring a 55-60%+ win ratio consistently to progress their CR, Losing hours of progress because losing twice in a row un-does 5-6 wins in a row - when their expectation is almost impossible unless you queue with a premade partner and carry most of your games.

For most people who play solo however this is incredibly unrealistic.

It is also about the AMOUNT of rating gained and lost.

None of these threads has ever been about “me angry me lose”.

Anyway I will throw you a bone and assume you’re correct and that I am garbage at the game; How do you explain every single other thread on here that complains about the same thing? (the amount of rating won vs rating lost)?

Yeah I know, I shouldn’t give him the time of day but I like to believe people debate in good faith so… I give people a chance. He’s just letting his assumptions on imaginary scenarios go to his head and ignoring the actual real broader issue.

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M8, this char… Le… hi is toxic troll. :slight_smile:

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It definitely feels like that :joy:

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Not really, him and a handful of players including myself we’ve explained you lot several times and many ways how MMR works, you guys are simply refusing to accept it, and instead flood the forums with these pointless topics.

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yep and you are projecting your pointless logic. im sorry but is that obvious . but is ok you are a flawed human after all. THE POINT ppl are making here is that the system is broken and unnatural. There is no place on this earth where my team looses a match and the only ones that loose CR is me and another dude while the rest of the team loose 0 points and the winning team ALL gain rating. Can you process the world TEAM - team loose → EVERYONE GOTTA LOOSE ! or no rating change.

You’ve already had your situation explained to you - you won a lot in a row and skyrocketed your MMR allowing you to free-ride your way to 2500, then the losses mounted up and you slowly matched your MMR with your CR, then the backslide started and you dropped 300 MMR points.

You feel you deserve 2500 rating because you have an ego. You feel you don’t deserve 2200 because you have an ego. You blame the game and deem the system impossible to understand and clearly unfair and broken because of course you’re soooooo good and clearly deserved to be 2500, even though you’ve never even been 2300 before, yet 2400 and 2500 are yours by rite because ???

I summarized it in the other thread:

When you win? Clearly all you. I deserve this. It was me. I carried. I’m supposed to be here.

When you lose? Not my fault. Was my team. Can’t be me. I didn’t do anything wrong. No loss was because of me.

Delusional ego nonsense.

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ok then go IRL join a team and battle another team - ANYTHING , your choice . At the end your team looses , and YOU are the only one from your tem who pays let’s say money - again just cose your team lost ! rest of your team pays ZERO ! good luck ! the level of delussion you have and lack of practical undestanding is fascinating . also this is the last time i read your posts.

Let me tell you a explenation of how MMR works, let’s start ; Match Making Rating (MMR) is a calculation that dictates and pairs a handful of players based on the same or similar skill, the system then it’s giving you a chance to climb but you need to win in order to gain a surplus of MMR in order to gain score or rating. If you lose, your MMR undergoes an deficit and overtime if you keep losing you will eventually lose rating. In my case I’ve climbed consistently as my devastation to the point that when I lose games, my rating is unchanged because I got a surplus of MMR, if I was to lose rating, I’d have to lose 20 games in a row, however on my Preservation, is not quite the case, I’m somewhat in the verge of a deficit and “hardstuck” not because of my team, but because it’s a skill issue from my end, by not being a good healer and just need to get better at it. Now another case exist aswell, based on availability.

Here is the following ; during the peak time of EU, the likelyhood to play with people of my level will be quite high and will place me in lobbies of my correspondent MMR and queues will be then shorter, HOWEVER if I decided to play one session in the morning say at around 8:30 am queues would be relatively longer because the system is finding opponents of a similar or same level as I am, so then the system eventually will “pick up” the nearest players not mattering their rating or MMR leading to lobbies of a much lower MMR of mine, in which I won the game with zero rating gain, but if I did lose that, you can guess then the consequence on my personal rating.

I know, big wall’o’text but hope this helps you understand this ‘sophisticated’ system.

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I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the MMR system in general. Everything working as intended. Don’t understand the q.q threads about it.

Now there are certain challenges of course, but those have nothing to do with the mmr calculation:

Introducing an MMR system to a freshly created bracket needs time to develop. I see some people with like 17 games played complaining that they’re “hard stuck at 1600” lmao. Hard stuck with 17 games played… Maybe play like 50 more and then see how the mmr developed? If you’re still at 1600 after 100 games, then that’s probably your skill ceiling and you’re the only person to blame - it’s not the mmr system’s fault.

One big problem is for sure that the mmr in the first 50 or so games is VERY VOLATILE. And it can go in both directions. Let me make 2 extreme examples here:

1500 rating tryhard player gets lucky with first 3-4 games. After game one mmr = 1800, game 2: mmr = 2000, game 3: mmr = 2300. This can happen even if that player didn’t do anything to help the team win. That player will potentially destroy a couple of games of 2000-2300 rated players on his way back to 1500 because he never should have seen such a high mmr to begin with.

The same thing can happen to a 2200-2400 player losing the first few games to 1500 keyboard turner teams to a certain degree. That player will eventually climb for sure, it’s just takes several (unnecessary) low bracket games to regain the unluckily lost mmr because of extremely bad team luck.

The luck factor involved in bg blitz is one of the biggest problems in general. If you get matched with 7 bots there’s not a single chance for you to win that game. Statistically you have the lowest chance of winning a game if you queue solo, and a slightly higher chance of winning if you queue duo. In both cases the luck factor is still significant. (remove duo queue btw!)

On the other hand - there’s quite a lot a skilled player can do to win games, especially in lower brackets. Sneaky flag captures. Being able to win 1v1’s. Focusing on the correct targets. Communicating with team members. Not taking unneeded fights that end up just being a waste of time. Stuff like that.

Other problems are balance wise. A monk for example shouldn’t be able to port with flag and the multi roll is also pretty damn overpowered.

my 50 cents
later