WW monk design and overall feeling

Classes Monk
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Long story short, when MoP came out, i loved WW monks and monks in general because of their aesthetics and design.
These days, specifically since Legion, one of those aspects, at least for me, has gone completely down the drain, which is, you guessed it - design.
Essentially, what i despise is that the spec is, figuratively speaking, bound in iron chains, …restricted, if you will.
What i mean by that is that you have to follow a set rotation, even though you can pick the spells, the spec is entirely bound by it’s mastery and combo strikes(or whatever it was called).

And i absolutely hate that. Prior to Legion i had the option to spam Blackout kick or Chi Explosion or whatever if i so desired, there was an absolute freedom. Now? If i just pushed Blackout, can i use it again? Nope, i’m forced to push something else, i feel restricted. Instead of playing freely and play as i please, i have to follow a set playstyle because of Blizzard’s incompetence. When i tried a WW monk in Legion with it’s new iteration, i felt like a prisoner bound by chains, chains long enough to scratch yourself, but not long enough to move any further than where you stand.

What wrong with using a spell more than once at any time?
WHat was wrong with Tigereye brew?(love dthe build up mechanic, i adored it)

The design ruined all interest for me in the class, and it used to be my main, i loved it and was addicted to it, yet i was so disgusted since Legion i just left the char to collect dust, never to log on again besides transmoggs, it was worthless.
Like, how hard would it have been to give the option to use the same ability more than once in a row through talents even…now after 10 mins of playing it feels frustrating and at best you get a headache.

What are your thoughts on WW’s iteration since Legion?

P.S. Loved the WW design prior to Legion, …now i can’t even look at it, it’s despicable.

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agree 100%, legion onwards made ww boring

mop / wod playstyles in general were insanely fun to play, but specifically ww was completely ruined in legion

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I really liked the Tigereye brew build up mechanic, it felt satisfying to generate charges over time and become deadly when popping them for that sweet damage potential if you executed it correctly. :frowning:
But ye, for me, basing the spec entirely on mastery was a big error on their behalf.

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I like ww monk.

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I’m struggling to enjoy this iteration of WW too.
It’s become so painfully slow & limited.

Mastery & combo strikes limit which abilities we can use next (I was new in Legion so I don’t know any different). But longer cd’s also limit which spells we can use next (transcendence, Para). Less abilities also limit what we can use next (healing elixirs, SotWL). So a basic rotation is already very restricted & predictable before we even get to the ‘extra decision making time’ behind GCD (you’ve already limited my options, why are you giving me extra time to think about it?).

It’s depressing popping Karma & dying in under 3secs.
This is our baseline defensive? One week it’s healing me to full & doing decent damage, the next week it’s nerfed 50%, added as a talent (no heal) and is burst through in 3s. People used to think twice about ploughing into it.

It’s fair play to die in a stunlock, as long as it’s not a FoF stun?
Sham Lightning Lasso is like The Emperors Capacitor (Crackling Jade Lightning on steroids with a stun). If my Trinket is on cd, I’m dead. I went 100 to 0 in ~3secs vs Pally+Rog. Didn’t even have time to trinket (not that it would have helped).

I can be Mind Controlled off a cliff, sapped + blinded out of mining Azerite, Feared for 14s out of carts / flagspots & that’s fair game. 3s incap on 45s cd isn’t balanced. I don’t care if it interrupts a caster, that’s the point of Paralysis.
It’s hard enough trying to be enthusiastic about Battlegrounds as Alliance, without being so handicapped.

I used to be a rapid Kung-fu master with lightning fast reactions.
Now I’m just a massive perma-slowed panda with limited cc’s, weak heals, reduced mobility, slow gameplay & no burst.

WW is indeed, an abomination.

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Have you red the forums?
Every single class is complaining about their class.

Use ring of peace to push ppl down the cliff and transcendence to get away from fights.

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113 Monk saying everything is fine hmmmm???
Not a very reliable source if you ask me.

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Well, not all of the forums, there’s only so many hours in my day.
I think customers are well within their rights to give feedback about a product they purchased & aren’t satisfied with. But I’m not really concerned about other classes.

Yes, I know about RoP knockback. My concern isn’t about classes knockback ability either (although, side-note , it’d be great if Blizz fixed the tooltip on BrM’s Mighty Ox Kick to read: “Sometimes kicks the enemy a distance behind you. Other times, it kicks them forward, towards their flag / healer / away from the cliff edge”).

Thanks for the tip on when to use Transcendence, but my concern was more to do with the frequency & GCD (thus, ability) to use Transcendence. Also, in bg’s, it’s very rare I’m ‘running away’ anymore. I’m usually defending or carrying a flag -to the death! -because my escapes & heals have been neutered. lol -running away. I used to be able to run (with ease), but it’s not so easy to outrun a curse, a Mage, a Druid or anyone with a gap closer, a ranged stun, a root, a slow, a mind control…etc etc etc
Rather, say at LM I can expect to get knocked off the cliff, so I’m dropping Transcendence near the flag in anticipation. GCD literally decides my life or death as to whether I can Transfer. Even if I can, it’s a long wait before I can again.

idk man, I used to run into fights & paralyse & interrupt & stun & block & disable & start grinding down their healer & I knew I could pop Karma & escape.

Now, with no heals, less mobility, reduced cc’s, GCD & a baseline defensive that’s burst through in under 3s, it must be hilarious to see a Panda running towards you…

roll - wait - disable - wait - disable - wait - TP - wait - BoK - wait - TP - wait - SEF - wait - SEF - wait - ToD - wait - LS - wait - FoF

I know you’re still enjoying the WW & good for you man.
But I think people have a bit of a right to moan about a class they loved -as you might, when WW changes again.

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For me personaly the biggest pain in as a WW is energy regen. Class is poorly optimalized if u ask me, when u have to wait and can’t click on anything, because u’re lacking of energy. WTF

And don’t mention that we basicaly don’t have proper self heal. We’re leathers, basically papers u have some def cds of course, but missing self heal (automatical!) as used to be in Legion is very annoying. Don’t mind loosing times for using ccs, but loose of self heal is very bad.

I am sticked with monk because i like the lore and BW spec (even i am not tanking)

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FWIW, the biggest pain for me as MW is mana regen, so it’s kind of a monk thing to be resource starved all the time :confused:

But yeah, I was WW for WoD and a couple of months of BfA, and agree that it is currently horrible. You press 6 buttons on GCD, then you sip your tea, take a deep breath, recite a mantra, then you press 6 buttons again. The flow is nonexistent and the gap is outright jarring.

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Cheers for the replies, glad to hear your opinions.
WW monk was the love of my life when they were added, even more so in WoD, where i could play the spec for 6 months straight without getting even the tiniest bit bored or tired, it was fun, it was challenging and above all, if you mastered it, people feared you because a skilled monk with Tigereye brew up, would blow you to smithereens under 10 seconds.

The iteration since Legion pains me, as i love the class in concept, the idea of a martial artist is extremely appealing, but i cannot bear being forced by the mastery stat, i want full out freedom to use whatever kicks and punches i want.

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I guess this depends on talents… I run double fist I don’t have this problem.

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To be completely honest… I kinda gave up on my WW. Playing this spec since Legion feels like a slog. It’s simply not fun anymore and it bothers me too much to even level this character. It’s a shame. WoD WW was the most fun I’ve had in the game.

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I quite like WW, for me the mastery made monks fun.
I would like our Artifact abillity back, but can live without.

The changes in 8.1 improved WW a lot. We are very azerite trait dependent compared to other classes tho :confused:

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So you are complaining that you are not able to spam an ability? That’s the core of the monk playstyle, your mastery is about doing “combo” abilities. Yes, I do agree that monks rotation has become more predictable and restricted, but that’s the case with most classes. I still find WW to be the most fun melee in the game.

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In your opinion yes, but it was never the case before Legion, where you had all the freedom to use whatever chi spenders you wanted in any order you wanted, nor was it ever in the concept of WW monk to ‘‘combo’’ lol, that’s just nonsense. The current design is like having your hands tied behind your back.

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I would love to see Tiger Eye Brew back, but the mastery is such a good change, i mean if you like the idea of using one ability over and over again, then maybe Arcane Mage is better suited for you.

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I feel abit overwhelm by number of buttons to press when I play ww.
Ofc there is shift modifier (I never use ctrl or alt because is totaly not confortable for me), but I feel there is too many abilities that work better without modifier on them and its hard to put them all in a way to have easy access to them in combat.

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Quite subjective. I absolutely hate it because it forces me to use this or that spell, and not the spell i want to use. Like i said, i feel like my hands are tied behind my back, effectively limiting what i can do. I’m sure there are enough people who enjoy being such slaves to a secondary stat, over having a complete freedom.
No other class/spec is bound/chained to a secondary stat, i don’t get how Blizzard thought monks should have it.

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It was not about spamming abilities it was about having so many abilities that you had to choose which ones to click at certain times.