I spoke to a few folk and apparently there were a few of us calling him out on the thread. But Imo we should’ve spoken out more to confirm they’re not associated with us anymore. A lot of us, myself included, tend to not use the forums much any more as we used to. (As you can probably tell by our incredibly disorganised forum threads)
Yeah, some of our old members have reputations. And generally I don’t like to speak on behalf of them, especially when they’re not playing anymore. But I’m not exactly a sycophant to any of the old guard either, if ppl have issues with them I think it’s fair. But many of these people are gone now, and the “PCU” (If you can even call us that anymore) is just the leftover folk who have worked hard to keep their guilds going and want to RP for the most part. Maybe there are a few bad apples left but if there are we’ll no doubt deal with it as/when.
Look man I’m not going to pretend I’m an angel. I’ve made some provocative posts on here in the past to farm likes, many of us have. Half the reason I don’t post that much now is to get away from behaving like that. The issue is, I think, for many of us is many of the people mentioned aren’t around anymore. Stormbinder f.ex, I’m not even sure I’ve ever seen him around. I can’t disavow him because I’ve never met him.
Yeah no I can understand this 100% and they’re in their right to do so.
My point mostly was a case of have their been major issues in the past? Most definitely.
Should you try to RP with them again? Not if you don’t want to.
But I’m of the mind of not holding the grievances myself. I just do what I want to do really and enjoy my time if they join me in some RP awesome, if they don’t then that’s awesome too.
My point was more don’t let it impact you and your group.
I don’t know if this is dashing over my statement but that is not what I was saying
People are free and absolutely able to do what they want.
I’ve also had issues with some folk in the past but, that is what it is.
I personally would go as far to say as advice;
Not holding the past community’s grievances towards the new one. You can absolutely disregard that and nobody should feel looked over in a case like that especially those who lived through it I know many people who did and had my own issues back then too.
But myself, I’ve moved on from it mostly and I’m just open to RP’ing with everyone personally it’s a passtime and a hobby not an escape for me like it is for others who may just want to escape from life for a bit and just enjoy RP and they should completely do that.
So much goes on in the world today I can understand people just wanting to jump in game and play out another story to distract their minds from the whirring circumstances many could be or are going through they should not be worried about being harrassed or bullied and never should.
Kinda whole load of waffling so apologies on that regard.
Feeling eepy again. Witnessing the same ol’ pattern since WoD reminded him of his decade long time spent in RP circles. He returns back to his burrow den, where the sand is warm and cozy.
I normally don’t think that should be a necessity (you shouldn’t have to distance yourself from people you’re not involved with anyways, after all), but as you mention yourself
and it mostly harkened back to that and their ‘style’ of talking, arguing, posting, whatever you want to call or describe it like, which is something I think a lot of people still associate the label with for better or worse and why I referred to it
I think the realm’s in a much better, healthier state when it comes to this sort of thing now then it was a few years ago. Most grievances date back from a bit before - which is still quite recent - as is also evident by entities like lilynore who really want to cling onto those days really badly for whatever reason. I think to this extent the ‘rebrand’ or new initiative that was mentioned elsewhere is probably a good idea, my point is mostly that a lot of grievances associated with the PCU label that come to mind, certainly for myself as well, are tied to people that aren’t really around anymore. I imagine it’s reason there’s going to people that will remain very cynical, but at the same time I think it’s telling that these sort of discussions, arguments or w/e don’t really have the ‘fire’ they used to (and that’s a good thing!)
It wasn’t technically just you, more a vibe I perceived from some people (even if yours is the post that triggered me - sorry if it came across as a bit moralistic, I know you’re very chill and you just wanted to spread good vibes).
It is just that, how to put it. To some people, these issues can still be very real and they are not just a grudge: right in this thread there are some people going “did these things even happen? I want irrefutable proof” let’s be real, there is a chance that the very things that made people uncomfortable will happen again. But also, I know that not everyone is like that, and this thread makes it very obvious.
In the end, I am just not the first one that will be won over. If the community has a change of heart and begins to respect other group/individuals’ boundaries, I am sure we will notice it over time.
Certainly, but I guess there’s a bit of a difference between being a funny internet edgelord and pushing the envelope a bit and the thing said in that thread.
Either way, I’m not holding you responsible for it - it’s not you that posted it after all, but it did feel (to me at least) like one last return to the “old” ways of the group before that chapter is dead and buried as it deserves to be. No more “ironic” nahtsee dog whistles or misogyny, no more pretending that we’re all still sixteen and that edgy humour is the height of entertainment - that post was it’s deathrattle, hopefully.
Maybe I’m just reading the room wrong but to me at least it feels like people are just trying to mend the bridges, or clarify things. It’s nowhere near the mud-slinging it usually is and I think that’s probably a good sign.
I can see that, I’ll admit my first instinct upon reading all this was to come in here with some edgy quip for easy upvotes but it didn’t feel right after some second thoughts.
My experience joining the PCU some 5 years ago now was being thrust into server tribal politics and suddenly having a bunch of labels and isms attached to me by people who I didn’t really know. I guess it breeds a sort of incentive to sling mud back.
But it’s also exhausting, eventually internet arguments become tedious and I think this one very much has. It’ll never go anywhere, and a thread like this which perhaps would’ve been funny a few years back just feels tired.
It is what it is. But I doubt there’ll be any more posts like that, at least.
It doesn’t even serve a purpose anymore. At least back when the guild perks existed with that “you earn 5% of everyone’s loot into the guild bank”, I could at least understand why vacuum guilds existed even if I didn’t approve.
We can make it if we try 