The sad thing is the communities, though vocal, passionate, and enthusiastic to play, aren’t exactly that big. The revival events in previous expansions showed this, the WoD 19s and 39s events (On US and EU) were amazing. Playing with / against the same people, getting used to how eachother plays / thinks, who to avoid a 1v1 with, who to lock down in a teamfight, etc.
I miss that, a lot of people in these communities miss that.
That’s why I say if this was communicated, we could have probably dealt with it at least for the more active brackets. But since this came in out of the blue there’s been no time to organise community events, work out schedules, get people all synced up so we can have a couple hours+ each night of really good queues.
I understand.
I myself never did much with my twinks, except showoff and win a few duals in Goldshire/Org.
Considering the number of players in pvp (i dont mean the two times a year, bc of some event pvp action), there is a problem here.
I was kinda happy with Ashran as it was in Draenor, with mixed content and easy to get gear, bc imo, it drew non pvp players into pvp. Im sure it did, bc my sis started doing it too and liked it even.
So that was a good idea. But it got wrecked after Draenor.
Another thing is that there is too much content, specially pve. I so wish B would stop throwing new ‘content’ at us, which seems to be backfiring now, bc ppl will only hunt down that carrot for so long, untill they realize they arent actually having fun.
And then steering them somewhat to pvp… might get more ppl in and also solve that twink problem somewhat, being in separate brackets.
What do you think?
Fully agree.
But these are two separate issues.
I think every reasonable person will agree with that this should have been communicated way before this patch.
What can i say?
The lack of a good, easily accessible benchmark of gear for PvP is a huge problem at endgame. The MoP → WoD system was perfect, why did things have to change?
They are, but they also aren’t. They affect the same people in mostly the same way, and lead to the same outcome, and they both speak to a lack of understanding or willingness to fix either problem or engage with the communities affected.
I’d really like them to be taken separately, but I think in this case it is fair for the discussion to cover them both.
Reasonable people don’t tend to voice their opinions anywhere near as much as unreasonable people.
Irc you could hand the marks in for xp at one point, which twinks didnt so they didn’t get the xp. Tbh this seems like a pretty solid marketing ploy by blizzard, to guarantee people who twink in low level bgs, to go over to classic.
Twinks were next level back then tbh, at least now you have a chance depending on the class you play.
A lot of the modern issue is poor low level scaling balance compounded by twinks. There have been cases in recent expansions where twinking communities have had gentleman’s agreements to flat out not play certain specs, because they are unreasonably overpowered and ruin the fun of competitive games.
Yeah i remember the old battlegroup forums, people getting abuse or just plain phased out of groups for playing certain specs. Now its basically a free for all.
Even without the twinks, all that will prevail is throw away versions rocking whichever spec is the most op. Most of the time making the 10-19 bracket unplayable.
I was away for three years, from some months into panda, till halfway in draenor. So im not sure what you mean.
There was a gear requirement for ppl to enter bg at low lvl?
Well ok, but i dont see what i can do about B not informing ppl ahead of time.
Its a business, so they go for the majority satisfaction i guess. I remember from, what was it, last year or smth, when they mixed up the realms, the rpg ppl protested loud and clear and got their way. But theres maybe more ppl in rpg, than there are in twinking.
If you want to get anything across, you have to have some clear cut idea, which your group backs fully. I dont see that tbh, when it comes to pvp/twinks.
So what would your solution be wrt twinking?
Not that there was a gear minimum requirement, but that “Good enough” gear was very very easy to get. You could buy crafted PvP gear off the AH that would do well enough until got an honour set, and an honour set wasn’t that much worse than a conquest set, which again you could acquire without needing any arena or RBG rating.
Let the community handle itself, be clear about your intentions as a company regarding those players so they have time to organise and handle themselves. Make the wargame system easier to set up, and enable the mercenary system for lower levels so we achieve faction balance with low participation numbers more often.
EDIT: Also don’t bring RNG loot / titanforging to the lower brackets. That was one of the main reasons people moved to lower level PvP, to escape the RNG fiesta and just be able to get a set of gear that would for the most part be the best possible.
Yeah thx for 1 hour queue for Arathi Basin as non twink = with experience on. Fastest way to level alts (even with some slaps from twinks) is now closed. Some ppl do not know that twinks were on both teams. If your team is bad you will lose anyway LFR heroes.
Having a twink on your team don’t mean you going win the background.
Alot of twinks get cocky and just camp gy and end up losing due being cocky and not working as a team.
Thank you for once again destroyed the twinks… Finally after more than 14 years of games on Wow I give up. It’s a nice way to thank the loyalty of your players, I stop here I can really be insulting. I wish you to lose a maximum subscriber, you will succeed to surround yourself with weeping players and never satisfied as you like them so much…
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It’s not long queue times, it’s infinite queue times in all the brackets above 29.
Which is probably an indication that there aren’t as many Twinks out there as people seem to imply.
The way the “fix” was implemented was a sledgehammer to crack a nut, what made lower level twinks broken was on the whole fixed this patch.
Frag Belt damage reduced drastically, incendiary ammo nerfed, Ele force weapon enchant damage reduced, other non scaling enchants fixed ( Glorious Stats Chest Enchant / Shadow Armour come to mind ).
The dumber stuff still remains, Like Saltwater Potions, F.R.I.E.D bombs, Free Actions etc