You will regret covenants

Stop this nonsense argument.
RPG-elements should never directly confront with viability of a specc.
As it is right now you’ll have some speccs loosing around 30%+ output from best to worst covenant and all because of “meaningful decision” combined with layers of output-amplifier, which are supposed to “hide” the optimal decision, which is not working at all.

Strawman which isn’t important for this discussion.
If I play at 100% performance and choose the “wrong” covenant it would mean in this situation that I’ll deal always less dmg than someone who choose the “right” covenant (+30%output) and plays at 77% performance.

If you play content that’s doable without talents you can completely ignore the whole system, but if you don’t want to gimp your raid/m+ group you’ll choose what’s better or what enables the ability to “cheese” some mechanics, alot of soulbind-traits with these kind of options are already existent.

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Yes they should. This mentality belongs into moba and compettive games. Not into rpg games.

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Numbers WILL change. That part of development is still to come.

It’s easy to say such thing as long as you aren’t doing content where you suffer under a wrong choice or simply don’t care to gimp your group. :wink:

Yeah sure, is fire mage still ahead around 20% of overalldmg compared to the middle of the pack since a few months? Hmmm… yeah balancing seems pretty easy.

Btw for the people who don’t get how soulbinds work, they’re the same for every class repeating a essence/corruption desaster all over again because some specs simply benefit from souldbinds on a higher degree compared to others.
And for people who don’t know how AoE vs ST balance works, I’ve got an even better example: Venthyr Mage Ability. Permanently crap in every scenario, possible to contribute nearly 0 damage, with soulbinds being pretty even outputwise (3x red conduit is present).

Now lets talk about cheese conduits, like Sporepod, Final Momentum or even Debuff-Immunity via Kyrian flask.
It is highly possible that you’ll be able to cheese some mechanics with these soulbindtraits and always stating “numbers will change” wont change the already existing and visual design flaws.

That was more of a ‘blanket statement’. They’ll undoubtedly also remove/alter problematic things. And yeah, hopefully all of that will happen before release, but probably some will be done after. I’m not too bothered with that personally.

They wont and we’ll hear: “Covenants didn’t workout as expected” after 6-12months.

Sorry but it’s an unbalanceable mess, you can’t balance AoE vs ST-abilities leave alone the hybrid tax 3.0. If you’re lucky you pick a class where all your covenant abilities are equally trash and you have a choice. But tbh with the iteration of soulbinds blizzard will regret it, if they don’t let them be changed freely.

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Half glass empty kind of guy, I suppose.

We’re done discussing because we will never look at things the same way.
Have a nice day.

Yeah because you ignore to accept that they never managed to balance classes around 5-10% difference.
But it’s okay you’ll understand how the system works while reading bis-guides.

  1. that’s not true.
  2. It’s an mmorpg; to expect perfect balance is ridiculous
  3. I haven’t ignored it; I simply don’t care

You really have no clue what kind of player I am, do you?
I don’t care one bit about BiS stuff. I play for fun. Not to attain some fake idea that I’m ‘the best’. I don’t need to stroke my ego in games.

Again; have a nice day.

They never managed to tune classes around 5-10% difference, thats a fact.

Not talking about perfect balance but 5-10% is atleast achievable, with thoughtful buffs, which blizzard simply don’t drop for reasons.

That’s fine but don’t tell anyone that it’ll be fine if the problem of the design flaws don’t affect you, while ignoring proper arguments and evidence regarding blizzard inability to balance properly, especially on a pretty short time frame. :wink:

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Maldraxxus, my love, 'ere I co-

No! Let go of me, pixies! I’m too rotten to be sniffing flowers! Aaaaaaaghhhhhhh!

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You saying ‘something is so-and-so’ isn’t proper argumentation nor evidence. Sorry.

Have. A. Nice. Day. :grimacing:

Even if i give you a number by number spread sheet, you will just reply with “but i dont care about dps, also blizzard will balance it”.

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I’ve been trying to work this out since the last time I ran into you on a similar type of thread a while back. I still can’t figure out what you do in this game. Please enlighten me.

Okay, I guess you didn’t even look over the soulbind system and are simply uniformed.
I’ll try it again for you:
Final Momentum: +3% Dmg if fighting an enemy below 35%, bonus increased by 500% for 30sec => 18% if a friendly player dies for everyone with this trait
Hmm now lets think of a fight with an execute phase…hmmm… what are we supposed to do, ahh yeah sacrifice 1 player with a soulstone and get 15% more dmg for the whole raid.

Sporepod: Instead of dying you’ll wrap yourself in a spore pod and respawn after 10 sec if the pod isn’t destroyed,hmm so we have a lesser cheat death which we can use to skip special aoe dmg spikes… hmmm.

This two traits are just an example for problems caused by basic traits from conduit. Leave alone instant teleport via Venthyr+Soulbind or Immunity vs Debuffs for 15 Sec (Kyrian).

Now let’s take a look at conduit gems which have to be farmed on specific item levels and are destroyed if replaced by other gems which benefit heal/tank specc.

Next point only red conduits deliver output increases leaving yellow/blue in the dust.

Leaving alone unbalanceable covenant abilities.

Well WQ’s can be endgame too. :wink:

Nonsense. What’s the use of this reply?

Have as much fun as I can. :blush:

I did. And it’s boring, but fine.

I’m done discussing this. You care too much. You’re too obsessed over min maxing. Imo.

I’ll just wait and see what Blizzard delivers. And I have a positive outlook on this; that’s not to say it’s all cookies and cream though:

I’m worried about other aspects of Shadowlands. Such as Torghast and The Maw being way too mandatory. But that’s for other threads.

Nailed it.

I was hoping you’d elaborate. I’m really struggling over here.

No? Stop trolling and stop you personal attacks. Get a life.

Well I’m being harassed here and so I’m on the defensive.
I feel no need to justify why or how I play this game. That’s no one’s business but my own. It will only be ridiculed anyway, judging from these replies.

So no thanks. Have a nice day.