Because writers want to appeal players with another tearjerker moment.
Also, they seem rather fixated on making the most of Ardenweald be Tyrande/NE related.
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Nah, I’m out, you’re not even trying to engage with my points.
What did you base that conclusion off of? we have more Troll and Loa things Datamined than we do Night Elves until now.
Isn’t possible that the Emerald dream and Shadowlands are connected? Azeroth have a connection with both why not all connected with each other?
Why would they be connected though?
The Emerald Dream is an artificial dimension created by the Titans as a blueprint of an ideal Azeroth from which to mold the planet.
Chronicles even shows the Emerald Dream as being the opposite of the Shadowlands, since it is “the realm of life”, however this also makes no sense, because again, it’s a Titan pocket dimension and not some primordial plane of nature energy.
To be honest I don’t see a retcon here. We see in Ysera’s death cinematic that Elune lifts her up to the sky. I think it is safe to assume that Elune’s power trumps that of Aviana. So Elune bringing her to Ardenweald to resurrect Ysera isn’t really such a leap, is it?
Except Ysera’s spirit already appears in the Emerald Nightmare raid, twice. She helps us defeat Xavius and later re-appears walking across the lake in the Emerald Dream’s heart.
So Elune brought her to strike back at Xavius, then allowed her to roam freely with the other spirits of both her living children and those who had passed - and then she shoves her in Ardenweald. Why? It doesn’t add up.
Also the fact that you need Ardenweald to resurrect from the Emerald Dream is in itself a retcon. Cenarius is resurrected by walking through an Emerald gate, Aviana is reborn from hatching out of a giant egg, Goldrinn just dashes out of thin air and Malorne walks out of a stone statue.
You know, everything about Shadowlands is a retcon. Considering the Twisting Nether was the established realm of the dead, before Chronicles changed previous writing.
It’s not a big deal, Warcraft is rife with retcons, these just happen to be some of the latest.
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I imagine it was just some lingering essence of her.
Yes, but you couldn’t interact with her like you could with the others. An imprint, I imagine, considering her huge influence on the Dream.
I prefer to see it as an addition. We don’t know exactly how these spirits are reborn. Are they pushed out of Ardenweald into the “real” world? Or do they perhaps first go to the Emerald Dream (in Azeroth’s wild gods case), or equivalent to recover?
Dream of Ysera yells: Embrace the dreaming, champions! It can save you!
Xavius yells: NO! I will not permit it!
A lingering essence that speaks, attacks, purifies, empowers, walks, flies, and is tangible in the Dream?
Whew, that’s a lot of things a lingering essence can do. Don’t you think?
The questlines literally tell you and show you that Cenarius is a spirit in the Emerald Dream, awaiting behind the Gates of Sothann and Ysera herself tells you “I sensed them within the Dream”, not Ardenweald.
Because, of course, Ardenweald didn’t exist yet.
Personal opinion here, I thought that Malorne striding out of a stone statue of himself was way cooler and mystical than imagining that these guys apparently turn into plant pods and blossom back to life.
The breaking of the death machine happened during Legion which was a Titan heavy expansion. is there a Titan involvement in Shadowlands? Shadowlands precedes the Titans but that doesn’t mean that they didn’t do anything there.
Who are you to say what a lingering essence can or can’t do? I’m sure that, if you look far enough, we’ll find other similar examples.
Yeah, exactly. So, who knows, maybe spirits go from Ardenweald to the Dream (like I said) before emerging into reality. I didn’t say how long they’d be in the Dream, though.
Not that we know of yet.
You justified your stance that she is a lingering essence by saying that you can’t interact with her unlike the other, full-fledged spirits you encounter in the Emerald Dream.
But the Ysera spirit we see in Legion checks a mark in every trait that, in your description, defines a full-fledged spirit.
You’ve countered your own point here.
So they go in Ardenweald to resurrect…so they can go in the Emerald Dream to resurrect and be brought into Azeroth to resurrect?
Ehhh no, it’s just Blizzard trying to include familiar faces in their expansion fresh out of retcon, by applying more retcons to the previously established functions of the afterlife pre-Shadowlands.
The two times her spirit appears are two different instances. One time she interacts with you, the other not.
To be reborn, to recover (in the Dream) and then to be resurrected, yeah. That’s possible.
I think it is fair to be bitter Calevarn, most of us are however I am still surprised that you are actually shocked considering they have reconnected everything related to Night Elves and Druidism time and time again.
The only respite we can hold on too is the explanation they will offer and the exploration of Elune.
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