Very sad but at the same time beautiful tale of rebirth.
Ardenweald now features Ysera,Vol’jin, and Tyrande’s storyline it seems pretty packed.
It’s been datamined a while ago but I still find it confusing because in Legion Elune literally reached out to her and pulled her to the stars. It was one of the most beautiful dearh scenes and I feel it trivialized it.
Is the tyrande death cutscene out yet?
Her body pulled a Jedi-trick and she vanished , probably thanks to Elune (really leaving an Aspect’s body lying around when Death Knights are on the loose not to mention the Nathrezim, the original necormancers, would have been a really bad idea…)
She could become a constellation (But that means Elune created several stars to form the Ysera constellation… wich itself quite a feat) AND go to her place in the Afterlife; lots of greek hero did that, become a constellation thanks to Zeus but went to Hades/Elysian fields or Olympos
So the two are not mutually exclusive and cheepens or trivialize her death imho
It is possible that Elune intervened to avoid having Ysera be sent to the maw or something else…they indeed have a lot of explaining to do.
Especially, considering flying/winged creatures should go to G’Hanir… tho’ a bit silly to immagine dragons among the branches, but according the Demon’s soul they are there too…
Except her spirit already appears in the Emerald Dream in the raid during Legion.
How I hate retcons.
Yep, I keep saying this since they datamined Ysera.
Whoever sent her to the Shadowlands had to separate her from everyone she ever held close, all her children, all her consorts, all her kin, they are all within the Emerald Dream and instead she’s sent elsewhere.
I am not really trusting what Blizzard is planning for her, I wager they dropped Ysera in there for a good sprinkle of fanservice, but I’ll keep my fingers crossed for the updates on the story as they come.
And she silently walked to the rift, in to the Nightmare, the void lotus-thingy and dissapear… like the Void “mezmerized” her; and since she was tainted by the Nightmare fuelled Tear… that one is a bit explainable, the Nightmare clinged in to some fregment of her soul…?
But really streching thing there trying to explain that
Elune
She is eeeeeevil I tell you!
Isn’t in the original (retconed?) lore Elune chased Malorne and when the stag’s antlers tangled in the fabric of sky she basically r*ped him?
Not some great love story of the ages… but I think you can’t find that anywhere
So not too sure about that one
Anyhow, Elune is a bit shady… a really shady dame from Seville
Or wants her to become a Wild God by getting a rebirth.
I wouldn’t say that was her in the dream, actually. More like a fragment, an imprint. Mainly because, in contrast with all others, you couldn’t interact with her there.
Now we do see her in the encounter, too, but I think that’s once more just a fragment.
That’s pretty stupid. Ysera isn’t a wild god or a loa. So why the hell would she end up in Ardenweald?
We will probably learn why but easiest way would be Elune.
Isn’t she? That doesn’t really seem obvious to me. She is a powerful being of nature, closely connected to the Emerald Dream. Does it matter that that connection was created artificially at some point? Is a specific genesis a defining attribute of Loa/Wild Gods? Was that ever stated somewhere?
But apart from that… Call it what you like, a being closely connected to the Emerald Dream ending up in the “dark mirror” of the dream certainly doesn’t seem all that surprising to me. And there is no reason why the rebirth mechanisms of Ardenweald wouldn’t work for her, when they can work for very different kinds of beings.
And that’s without bringing Elune into it.
Dragons and Dragon Aspects are not Wild Gods.
This is very much stated, they are two distinct and different groups only loosely related to each other, in some cases, by the type of powers they wield.
Besides, Dragons already had their own established afterlife.
And so did Wild Gods.
And so did Kel’thuzad with his phylactery.
So, at this point, it’s evident the writers do not care. If they want to shove a character in the Shadowlands, they will do it.
Certainly not all of them, sure. Most of them aren’t beings closely connected to the dream. What defines a Wild God for you? Can something that didn’t start as one become one?
Where? What exactly is stated? Without referring to anything specific, this means nothing at all.
…huh? Did they? I genuinely have no idea what you are refering to. But even if they did… we know afterlives are assigned on an individual basis, not a species basis. There might be a dragon exclusive afterlife in the Shadowlands, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that all dragons go there.
Sure. But I have to say, the afterlife topic is a strange place to complain about that. So the characters in the world had an imperfect understanding of existence after death? The Loa didn’t exactly know that they were in a different nature realm from the dream, when they were regrown from pods and reborn in the world? Unimaginable!
I’m certainly not used to defending modern Blizzard’s world-building (it sucks), but this is one area where I am perfectly fine with “everything I thought I knew was wrong, and I don’t really understand what’s going on here”.
Yes, they did:
https://wow.gamepedia.com/G%27Hanir
You are misrepresenting.
It wasn’t someone’s subjective view that G’hanir was the afterlife of the Dragons. Krasus was invited there by Aviana and saw it with his own eyes.
It wasn’t someone’s subjective view that the Emerald Dream was the afterlife of the Wild Gods. Almost every questline on Hyjal is about resurrecting them from the Dream, particularly Cenarius.
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Aviana#Cataclysm
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Malorne#Resurrection
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Goldrinn#Cataclysm
It’s okay if you like these retcons, but pretending they are anything but that is disingenuous on your part.
I’ll grant you the Wild God ressurection point, this does smell like a retcon. I totally forgot those quests, and will have forgotten about them 30min from now again, because I really fail to care about those guys, so I’ll withdraw whatever I said concerning them.
The topic at hand was Ysera, though, and I don’t see you anything that touches on:
Nor do you comment on:
So… it seems to me like the topic was mostly unadressed in your last post.
I highlighted the already existing Dragon afterlife. Which is established to be in the Emerald Dream, not the Shadowlands.
And yes it does necessarily mean that all Dragons go there because Dragons are winged creatures and all winged creatures are cosindered children of Aviana by Aviana, and all who Aviana considers her children go on G’hanir.
If you check the link, this is all well explained. Aviana builds a nest for Krasus, for the day he will take his place among the tree’s branches as well.
Again, retcon.
Wild Gods are incarnations of the powers of nature, spirits born of the land and creation.
All Wild Gods are “Loa” but not all Loa are Wild Gods.
Ysera is a Dragon, and a Dragon Aspect. Sure, she always had a spirit form, but that didn’t make her any more of an incarnation of nature, or brought her anywhere closer to what defines a Wild God.
I guess she can become one with how Blizzard is rewriting things, after all they’re the Word of God, anything they say goes, even if it’s contradictory.
But to do that it’s still true that they had to retcon G’hanir, the Dragons’ afterlife, the Emerald Dream, and Ysera’s appearance in the Emerald Dream after her death.
It’s a whole load of confusing inconsistencies for the sake of having the new expansion’s plots happen.
All dragons qualify. That doesn’t mean they have to go there necessarily, no. And suggesting limits to Aviana’s power and/or mandate is hardly a retcon, or would you think it a retcon if Illidan didn’t end up with her? I mean, he certainly is a winged creature of Azeroth…
Then call her a Loa, I don’t care for the difference, the argument was about why she was in Ardenweald.
Again, you’re misrepresenting and purposefully limiting your reading comprehension:
We know she does this for the Dragons of all flights from her interaction with Krasus, so we know that is where they go.
Although, knowing Aviana and her character you can safely assume that just because Doomguards have wings she isn’t going to take them to her tree. Her judgement is a factor, for the tree is hers.
You might as well call her Banana Cream, that doesn’t mean anything.
You would have a hard time arguing that Bwonsamdi is a Wild God because the Trolls call him Loa. Trolls also call Wisps “Loa”, that doesn’t make them Wild Gods.
She’s in Ardenweald because fans like her and the writers decided it would be cool to have her there.
The Watsonian perspective is instead denied by the inconsistency with the Emerald Dream, the inconsistency of G’hanir and the inconsistency of her spirit already appearing in the Emerald Dream.
Again, it’s okay if you like them, though you will have to acknowledge that they are indeed retcons.