Reading is hard, I know, but most actually manage to look at the first sentence.
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At least he managed to read the Thread-heading.
I know you guys are fodder so I dont see the point.
Also Wimbert you are an attention hoe then, change your title if u are not talking about Zul’jin becoming warchief.
If you read beyond the first sentence you might understand why I chose the title, though… And I might also enjoy showing off the people who comment without reading what the basic idea is, since these people are a menace to any good faith discussion anyways.
I certainly am not concerned over your good opinion of me.
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So you don’t see the point in reading and discussing the original post? Why then, are you posting here?
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I bet he posted only after reading the title and not reading the contents such as how picking a leader should look like.
Which is something I was also talking about - that inheriting title isn’t exactly good either. You need to have competence.
And this is why I am quite happy how Rokhan ascended to chieftain - he earned it, the title was not given to him.
Baine was the one that convinced him to be the leader. With a similar speech as the one Thrall gave Garrosh and Vol’jin to make them Warchief.
Daelinna might be bored at Boralus?
I mean, it has become worse than Stormwind, i.e. all those “mongrels” from the mainland crowding the streets of her precious Boralus. It must be hard to stomach. So let us be lenient with her coming to these forums venting her frustration. Yes? 
If not, by all means, come to the best SWC branch in all of Azeroth and pay me a visit in Winterspring. I shall have all sorts of pricey liquers to help you forget your sorrow 
Yikes.
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Not really, Rokhan said that trolls already were asking him to step up and when he was talking with Baine he was already their chieftain, he just didn’t think he deserved it.
It was not identical because Vol’Jin in that scene was actually promoted to Warchief. Rokhan was already a chieftain and he was becoming in that scene a council memeber.
You’re right. Considering how you belly-ache about Night Elves in SW, Winterspring might be too hard for your sensitive personality to stomach.
Tell you what, I shall make an application for the first SWC branch EVER to open a fine nice store right in Boralus. When I do, you will be the first to know 
Both follow the same pattern.
- Doubt/denial:
Vol’jin: I am not worthy…
Rokhan: I been fightin’ for dem a long, long time… but dat don’t mean I deserve ta be deir chieftain.
- Paternalistic reasurance:
Thrall: But it was you that held the Horde together during this madness. It was you that protected our honor.
Baine Bloodhoof : I felt much the same when my father died. It happened suddenly, and I feared that I was unprepared to take his place. But I was ready, just as you are. You proved that in Zuldazar and at Stromgarde. The Darkspear have faith in you, and so do I.
- Accepting the title/praises from the parental figure:
Vol’jin: I will give my all. For the Horde.
Rokhan: But… da Darkspear do be needin’ a leader. A voice on da council. And if it gotta be me… den it be me.
Rokhan wasn’t the chieftain of the Darkspear. Even that, had to be “bestowed” upon him by Baine.
The way Blizzard writes things, rewards aren’t granted by actual merits. They are often bestowed upon “lowly mortals” by the chosen protagonists of the narrative. In this case, Baine.
The Warchief title, and pretty much every other war title like High Commander (something Anduin apparently had the power to simply hand to Turalyon without consulting anybody), are now the equivalent of nobility titles some king hands out like checks. But in this case, the king is played by the story’s protagonist.
In theory i like the idea of someone proving their worth to lead. I mean it´s a common trope in Literature take a somewhat likeable Person and let it grow through such trials. Worked with Varian, worked with Yrel, can work again maybe with someone like Zekhan also i loathe the idea of memeboi becoming Warchief but it´s possible.
But I actually think the Horde does not need a Warchief anymore. With the amount of different races the horde is made up and the vastly different culture these races resemble I simply can´t see a common ground anymore that one Person aka Warchief could reflect.
I actually think having this council come together before every major patch discussing the topic at hand for example Rise of the Scourge and then they come to a common idea who to send out to deal with it. This sets the upcoming patch always up with the main character who you accompany and does not leave anyone out.
Overall I´m not sure whats the best course. Having one Warchief as focus point is easier to write, considering how underwhelming the story turned out this might increase the quality again but on the other hand limiting the Horde to this one position again seems kinda bad for the overall Faction and its standing in the lore and world.
That sounds like an argument for breaking up the faction to me, and if it is, I’m totally with you on that… But as I’m constantly told, most people don’t want that, Blizzard’s devs among them. I feel that if it’s hard to impossible to find something or, in this case, someone, that the peoples of the Horde can agree on, it’s totally unrealistic to expect them to stick together for years and years.
And if they just don’t agree? I mean, with factions that are so different, some are likely to be left out in any decision, aren’t they? Which kind of lends itself to political alliances within the Horde that form a coalition to essentially rule above the others… Or inaction, if more than a majority of voices is required.
And I don’t have to mention that it’s improbable that faction decisions like that will be implemented like that.
This may clash with what people think or find “agreeable” from our RL standards, but i don’t think the Horde needs someone that necessarily conciliates perfectly the different segments of the faction.
I’m fine with an authoritarian regime that has a warlike leader calling forth armies he may need to control with iron fist.
Not to the point of reaching dictatorship, but in a way that allows shadier collectives in for convenience or that disagree with the ruling body even if they need to play along.
It simply plays better with the whole Horde thing, and does not alienate any of the disparate and often conflicting racial themes that make up the facion.
That is indeed similar, but he said that since Vol’Jin’s death his on tribe as looking up to him to lead them.
Ideally, we should get a proper quest where we witness his election, maybe it will be tackled on in the Heritage Questing experience. I wish it was done properly instead of throw away line.
Honestly, I have much bigger issue that he is still super loyal to Horde after all these events, which should normally shake the perception of a person. And lack of criticism toward Baine.
But that is much boarder problem of Blizzard homogenizing faction instead of developing their subfactions to have proper portrayal.
There has to be visible convenience to the ruled peoples, though, to have that make sense. And that hasn’t been the case for a long, long time. Why exactly would Nightborne or Tauren accept a leader that does what he wills with their fighters?
The historical answer has been, that they needed each other to survive. Well, with the tech and magic getting ever more ridiculous this hasn’t really been depicted well in ages. If anything, the lesson we were told was that ALL the people in the world need each other to survive, Alliance and Horde both. And if Alliance and Horde can cooperate when needed, without ceding their independence, I don’t really see how this one could be an argument for just that. They would have to create much more believable threats at home that take cooperation to solve to sell us survival as an argument for ceding independence again.
Then there is probably the possibility of uniting around a shared enemy… Which should have been the Alliance. But the Alliance has become less threatening to their way of life over time, not more. There would have to be a big shift within it, to make it something sinister that the Iron Fist could plausibly point to, to get everyone in line. The Alliance would have to hurt not only the most eager combatants, but it would have to threaten the outliers, like the Nightborne, else it hardly counts as in their interest to oppose it. It could be done, especially with a regime change… but I’m not seeing it. And the Alliance opening its arms to all kinds of monsters and witches doesn’t really lend itself to the idea of a more fanatical Alliance. There can always be misinformation, I suppose, but that is only ever a temporary fix…
A big one could be economical interest. But… Blizzard doesn’t do that. Economy and local politics take a lot of world-building that is never ever happening.
And then there is force. Outright “serve or die”. Well, I don’t find that very convincing either, considering there is a super power competing with the Horde that would be very happy to take in its allies to weaken it. Not to mention that it’s a bit of a downer to play a race that’s essentially a slave race, if you didn’t sign up for that.
So yeah, I think it’s much more convincing to go for a leader that can be everyone’s choice. A leader with the consent of the people they govern.
Hardly a democracy by any stretch…The plebs of the Horde hardly get a choice on the policy of the Horde (domestic or foreign). The leaders of said races still decide what happens to their people except its split between 5/6 people instead of just 1 person (which considering the Horde’s track record with single rulers is for the best).
Nobody is a democracy in Azeroth except the Gnomes who actually elect the High Tinker and maybe Dalaran who choose the council of six from the best and brightest of the cities mages.
We have theocracies a la the NE’s and Draenie, Royalty/Nobility with the Dwarfs and Humans/Worgen, and a “thank you for saving our souls from destruction, we will follow you anywhere” power structure with VE’s and Alleria 
Fair enough, though not really a problem for my point there.
I think they agree to stick together based on the “Apes together strong” argument. I´m thinking along the lines of “as long as the alliance exist and imposes its ideals upon other races the horde sticks together” and maybe if the horde becomes a more loosely knit group where everyone can do what he wants but they still share loyality towards each other this might work.
Here i mean decisions regarding how to deal with a threat. Example: Azshara returns, Council gets together, Everyone says we need to stop her, Thrall, Voss, Rokhan, Gazlow say they can´t send much resources because of whatever reason, then Thalysra and Lor’themar step up and say we got this, Vupera also send some forces for logistics whatever. Tada Horde is set up for the next content patch. I do realize that these “discussions” are less about politics and more to validate why in this patch this character shines but as you already said Blizz does not do politics, economy etc. and looking at the Story and Worldbuilding of WoW in the last 15 Years there is no reason to believe they suddenly start telling more complex stories akin to GoT it´s the opposite the story got less complex and simple.
It depends how this is shown. Looking back at Garrosh he displayed this form of leadership in MoP. Remeber he used the Bloodelf forces as he pleased and sacrificed them against the Mogu to get to the Bell and this did rub Lor’themar the wrong way. So much that he started to talk with Varian of all people. Blizzard would have to show that the Horde Races need the Horde to pull such a Leader thing off but i personally thing it would be better to show the Horde in a different way as i mentioned above. Can´t say my approach or yours i better in the long run it all depends on the writing.